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From: Mel Grindol <grindol_at_my-deja.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Guns and camping
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 04:46:46 -0800
We've taken a Beretta 92FS stainless while camping.  Not for protection against bears or other four legged animals but against the two legged variety.  Camping in the wilderness puts you a long way from a 911 call and the police.  My wife prefers the peace of mind of knowing we can defend ourselves against "predators".

To actually stop a bear would take a very large caliber rifle.  The best way to handle bears is to not do anything to attract them.  Follow all of the normal bear camping rules.

I have also found a drybag that is triangular shaped and perfect for the pistol.  The pistol goes in the bag in a hatch during the day.  The extra few pounds is negligable.  At night it is out of the bag and in the tent.

To those who say why would you take a pistol for protection when you wouldn't have one at home let me say that the pistol regularly resides by the bed.  Call me paranoid but I have had someone try to break into my house while I was there at night.  Yelling scared them off, but you can't always bank on that.

Mel
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From: Larry Bliven <foxhill_at_shore.intercom.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Guns and camping
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:20:36 -0400
From: Mel Grindol

> We've taken a Beretta 92FS stainless while camping.  Not for protection
against bears or other four legged animals but against the two legged
variety.  Camping in the wilderness puts you a long way from a 911 call and
the police.  My wife prefers the peace of mind of knowing we can defend
ourselves against "predators".
>

while paddling/camping in a MD state park with a friend from Belgium, our
evening calm was disrupted by a group of middle aged drunk couples who were
camping at the adjacent campsite. one fellow was nasty and started into wife
beating. the others bearly protested. i checked, no rangers in the park and
one of the phones had recently been removed. things continued to go
downhill, however we thought that it had ended  when he left -tearing out in
his pickup at 2am. 'aren't you afraid he'll return?'... she replies 'no, i
got a gun in my bag'

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i think that more remote campsites are better.....especially with less human
contact. sorry for the poor experience for a visitor to the US. neither of
us can forget that bastard.

bye bye bliven



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