It's not a bad idea to check with the local laws regarding carrying a weapon, concealed or not. Here in Pennsylvania carrying a concealed, loaded weapon can land you in the local brigg. Anything from an accident to illness that requires emergency treatment could result in discovery of a weapon. My own experience dates back about 15 years when I was active in Dog Sledding here in the Pocono Mtns. A tourist walking her pet dog was surprised to see us with our dog teams on a woods trail, when we stopped and walked our teams around her she loudly proclaimed "you better not try anything, I have a gun!" We went on our way thinking that this New Yorker was a nut! Later we read in the newspaper , how several days later, she had tripped while walking her dogs and her loaded pistol discharged while still in her purse killing her!! She was a whole lot safer here than back home in NY City. "There is nothing to fear, but fear itself". Take care and let common sense guide you all. Charlie Goodman --- PaddleWise <owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net> wrote: > PaddleWise Wednesday, April 19 2000 > Volume 01 : Number 1049 > > > > Re: [Paddlewise] Perception Dancer/deck blades > Re: [Paddlewise] cartoppping > [Paddlewise] paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > [Paddlewise] Bears? What'dbout Leopards? > Re: [Paddlewise] Lovely book! > [Paddlewise] Tahiti - Easter Island ?? > [Paddlewise] Wilderness: Isolation or Adventure? > Re: [Paddlewise] cartoppping > Re: [Paddlewise] Tahiti - Easter Island ?? > Re: [Paddlewise] the "back-channel" > Re: [Paddlewise] Tokyo trips? > Re: [Paddlewise] cartoppping > Re: [Paddlewise] the "back-channel" and bears > Re: [Paddlewise] the "back-channel" > Re: [Paddlewise] Tahiti - Easter Island ?? > Re: [Paddlewise] cartoppping > RE: [Paddlewise] Wilderness: Isolation or > Adventure? > Re: [Paddlewise] Guns and camping > Re: [Paddlewise] Guns? When and Where? > Re: [Paddlewise] Wilderness: Isolation or > Adventure? > Re: [Paddlewise] Relative Danger--was: Guns?.. > Re: [Paddlewise] Guns? When and Where? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 02:43:04 -0300 > From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fernando_L=F3pez_Arbarello?= > <uktkayak_at_uol.com.ar> > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Perception Dancer/deck > blades > > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: E. Sullivan <sullivaned_at_pop.mts.kpnw.org> > To: p w <PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net> > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 8:33 PM > Subject: [Paddlewise] Perception Dancer/deck blades > > > > Anybody surf this boat? Comments? My Caribou is a > little > > unwieldy for surfing all day. Got a line on a good > [I think] > > deal ($250 for the whole kit (including Lightning > graphite > > shaft paddle)), and I think it'll be gone if I > wait to try > > it out. I will just be surfing, not whitewater. > > > > Hi Ed, > > The Dancer is an excellent boat for surfing waves. > It will perform grate > even in rouge seas with huge waves. But you must > know that whitewater > kayaking has evolved too much from the times when > the Dancer was the King > (Lets say 10 years ago). Today's surf kayaks and > whitewater kayaks are far > shorter and flatter than the Dancer, allowing more > radical moves while > surfing, other than sliding forward, like flat > spins, wave wheels, cart > wheels etc. Anyway a Dancer will be grate fun, and > up to me, it is still the > "King of the Enders" ( An Ender is done when, while > surfing, you manage to > dive the front of the kayak, so being pushed > downwards by the wave until > getting vertical, when the air in the kayak will > lift you up, and if you are > lucky, you´ll find yourself flying on the air well > above the water. Of > course you´ll usually fall upside down so don´t try > it if you don´t have a > bomb proof roll ) > > Have fun and welcome to the Club of the Adrenaline > Addicts !!! > > UNIÓN DE KAYAKISTAS DE TRAVESÍA > Fernando López Arbarello > uktkayak_at_uol.com.ar > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:59:57 -0700 > From: "BaysideBob" <vaughan_at_jps.net> > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] cartoppping > > When my pickup had a regular lumber rack on it, I > had some padded 2X4's for > the boats and always carried them upside-down. Now > I have a shell with an > over-priced Yakima rack and carry them > right-side-up. The former was much > more secure. > Bob > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Grant" <paragrant_at_webtv.net> > To: <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net> > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 9:36 PM > Subject: [Paddlewise] cartoppping > > > > Does anyone out there carry their kayak upside > down on their vehicle? > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 23:18:34 -0700 > From: Doug Lloyd <dlloyd_at_telus.net> > Subject: [Paddlewise] paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > > Mark asked honestly: > > <snip> > > I was wondering how many people like to carry a > gun on trips in wilderness > > areas. > <snip> > > Mark, here's a couple of "open-channel" comments. > I've spent 20 years > paddling remote wilderness, mostly solo, canoe and > sea kayak. Yes, there > have been nights when bears were messin' about near > my tent, such that I > wish I had a firearm (or a more tasty paddling > partner). But I've never > _needed_ one. I've had them come near me while i > was in the "back forty" > taking a crap - too late to crap my pants, was > already doing that. I just > kind of said "hi". Now I sing to myself, which would > keep anything on this > planet away. I practice scrupulously clean camp > practices, try to avoid > camping or tenting on game trails, and religiously > hang my food when in > bear country, when they are down out of the > mountains (off-season trips, no > problemo). For those who sea kayak along coastal > routes where bears may > inhabit that portion of the wilderness, it is good > to realize most bears > have their own evening walk-about routes, and a bit > of careful observation > should show forth were those routes might be in and > out of the thick bush. > On one trip, a buddy of mine ill-advisedly set up > his tent deep in a bay > near an obvious game trail. I was cruel, and didn't > mention anything. That > night, yeap, cccrashhh into the guy lines and tent > fly. Lots of yealps and > screams from the human, and one jackrabbit bear who > fell over a log running > away and must have tumbled given the horrendous > noise we heard and bark > removal witnessed in the morning. Sometimes I can be > so cruel, but my buddy > deserved it (but not the bear). > > I've spent some of my best evenings when kayak > touring, as the sun went > down in camp, watching bears meander up and down the > beach, sharing their > "space" with me, whilst they turned rocks over > looking for yummy treats or > sniffing through flotsam and jetsam, nibbling on > shreds of kelp. The > elegance and power of these animals is so much more > intrinsic when observed > up close. I've always considered myself a visitor in > "their" wilderness, > and I am willing to take a chance without a firearm. > I do carry two > canisters of bear spray, and have contemplated using > my 12-gauge flare > "handgun". Don't know which device would just piss > them off more! Once, > with a very interested bruin, I quickly pulled my > fleece jacket over my > head, arms still in the jacket, to create a more > menacing presence. Showed > that fellow who was the boss (well, me thinks I > was). I have not been > around grizz's while kayaking yet, just > hiking/logging/hunting. > > Audrey Sutherland (of Paddling My Own Canoe fame) > has spent countless hours > in the remote Alaska wilderness, and swears by the > "nose === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! 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One of the Goodman's said: |It's not a bad idea to check with the local laws |regarding carrying a weapon, concealed or not. Here |in Pennsylvania carrying a concealed, loaded weapon |can land you in the local brigg. Very important to know the laws not only on concealed carry, but open carry and the use of deadly force. If'n you don't know don't carry. You are asking for trouble. But there is more to it than that. In at least two states if you are carrying a firearm and a light producing device at night that is prima facie for poaching. Prima facie means something is legally sufficient to establish a fact until disproved. Which means if you are kayaking at night, have your legally required safety equipment, are in an area where poaching is possible and have a firearm you could be arrested for poaching, you weapon(s), as well as any vehicle used in the poaching. This would mean you kayak and could be your vehicle that was used to get the kayak to the water. A trailer could also be included! Isn't that special! 8-) I know of a case in Florida where a man was caught poaching lobsters. He had baby lobsters that were small enough to fit into the compartments in tackle boxes. At the boat ramp an officer asked him if he had any fish or lobster on board. He said, "No." but his little daughter said something to the effect of, "But dad, what about the little shrimp you caught." and pointed to his tackle boxes. He had lots of "little shrimp." Since he poached the lobsters, out of season as well as size limits, he was arrested, his boat was siezed, as was his scuba gear, his boat trailer, and his vehicle pulling the trailer. A judge eventually said that was too much and returned some of the equipment to the man. I don't understand how the judge could do that because the statute is very specific that ALL equipment used in poaching is to be siezed. Now it really gets interesting. In Florida it used to be, and I don't think it has changed since I moved, you were allowed to have a firearm while hunting, fishing or camping. To make it more interesting, i.e., confusing, the Wildlife Managment Areas had further restrictions on possession of firearms. What all of this means is that one statute would allow you to possess a firearm while another statute would prevent you from possessing a firearm. I'm sure there is case law on this but I never found any. The result would be you would have to let a judge decide and create the case law...... The bottom line is each person is responsible for knowing the law as well as their own safety. | Anything from an |accident to illness that requires emergency treatment |could result in discovery of a weapon. My own |experience dates back about 15 years when I was active |in Dog Sledding here in the Pocono Mtns. A tourist |walking her pet dog was surprised to see us with our |dog teams on a woods trail, when we stopped and walked |our teams around her she loudly proclaimed "you better |not try anything, I have a gun!" We went on our way |thinking that this New Yorker was a nut! Later we read |in the newspaper , how several days later, she had |tripped while walking her dogs and her loaded pistol |discharged while still in her purse killing her!! She |was a whole lot safer here than back home in NY City. |"There is nothing to fear, but fear itself". Take care |and let common sense guide you all. Charlie Goodman Was she nuts are had she been a victim of violent crime? Had she been raped? If she had is she still a nut? I don't expect we will ever know the answers to those questions. She may have well been a nut. 8-) Its not real smart to announce that you have a weapon. But she was obviously fearful. Very fearful. But she still wanted and took steps to enjoy the outdoors. Maybe she was just trying to find that something special that is being talked about in the "Isolation and Adventure" thread.... I had a girlfriend once who had been raped. She loved the outdoors and she often would go hiking by herself. She said she was still afraid of being attacked but she was not going to let her fear allow her to still be victimized. I see many woman hiking alone is a local park. Often right at sundown. I'm glad to see them out walking. But I shake my head at the risk they take. And I'm pissed that I have to shake my head at the risk they take..... Fortunately the park has never had an attack as far as I know. There are other parks where that is not true.... Falling and having a pistol fire is very, very, very unusual event. I would like to know what she was carrying and where the bullet hit. Later... 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