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From: John P Stohrer <JPStohrer_at_rmc.raytheon.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] GPS and Selective Availability
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 08:32:29 -0400
     Hi everyone,
     
     I work for Raytheon Marine company and thought I could offer a little 
     insight into SA getting turned off.
     
     There are two types of signals that can be received from the GPS 
     system; C/A (course acquisition) and P code (precision).  The P code 
     is used by the military and some civilian applications for precise 
     positioning (like Tomahawk missiles).
     
     The rest of us have access to only the C/A code.  With S/A on, 
     accuracy is stated as "better than 100 meters 95% of the time".  With 
     S/A off, that drops to around 15 meters so there is significant 
     improvement.  Any GPS receiver will realize this increase in accuracy.
     
     How will this affect differential?  Both the land based differential 
     and the new WAAS satellite differential systems will make GPS twice as 
     accuracte even with S/A off.  Typical differential accuracy is 1 to 5 
     meters.
     
     But this is great news for paddlers with handheld GPS's.
     
     JP Stohrer

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From: Nick Von Robison <n.v.rob_at_deltanet.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] GPS and Selective Availability
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 18:14:09 -0700
Thanks John,

I flipped on my Garmin 12 this morning just to see what was happening and it
seems to take me _very_ close to my known position on a topo, closer than it
ever did.  Yea!  But I've I also noticed that my EPE (Estimated Position Error)
figs were much lower than I've ever seen them, sometimes around 20 feet.  I'm a
little confused.  My antenae and receiver doesn't display PDOP figs (lowest
Position Dilution of Precision) and my understanding is that even with SA
terminated, my EPE doesn't deal with DOP, but only satellite quantity and
geometry.  But, after monitoring it for several hours until I ran the batteries
down, the EPE seemed to read in the really lower numbers.  Just a bit of
coincidence?

Also, John or anyone else, if an EPE reads 20 feet, wouldn't that be from a
theoretical fixed point and the real estimated error be a 40 ft. diameter?

-Nick




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From: Dan Hagen <dan_at_hagen.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] GPS and Selective Availability
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 21:01:13 -0700
Here is a graphical depiction of the end of SA:

http://www.cnde.iastate.edu/staff/swormley/gps/sa_trans.gif
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