RE: [Paddlewise] Policy Intended To Protect PaddleWise Members From Misquotings

Hi Jackie and PaddleWisers,

> I just received a request by Tamia Nelson (and have learned I
am not
> the only PaddleWise member to receive such a request from Ms.
Nelson)
> to quote directly from my postings on the PaddleWise list for a
follow-up
> article to her Commando Camping article.  Due to past
experiences at
> having been misquoted and quoted out of context, I respectfully
> declined.  However, a notice has been issued by Tamia Nelson
that
> she intends to paraphrase quotes from our discussion

May we see a copy of this notice? Am I to understand, then, that
this Nelson woman considers it her legal right to quote anything
I might write on this list? By what legal right does she do this?

> and errors could
> be made in the paraphrasing as a result of not being able to
obtain
> permission for quotes.  This article is to be run on her
commercial-
> based paddling website.
>
> PaddleWise policy has always been that messages in this forum
are not
> to be forwarded outside the PaddleWise forum without the
author's
> permission in order that subscribers here may engage in frank
and open
> discussion about issues without fear of having their messages
misquoted
> or quoted out of context in another forum.  That confidence has
been
> violated by a member here who has forwarded messages from
PaddleWise
> to Ms. Nelson who now intends to use those messages, with or
without
> permission, for a follow-up article.

Jackie, are you *sure* that there is a "traitor" amongst us? If
you *know* unequivocally and absolutely who this person is, then
perhaps it would be fitting for you to publish their name. And
then throw them out!

You know, when I first read that "Commando Camping" post from
"Kasia" with a Hotmail account, whom I'd never seen before, my
first thought was that it was a blatant troll. I was angry, and
even wrote a blistering response, but wisely refrained from
posting it until I caught up on my reading and found out what I
might actually be stepping in. For a number of reasons, not least
of which was that my post might have been misconstrued to have
been indirectly attacking our good friend Ralph Diaz, I tossed my
angry response in the garbage. I try not to go looking for
trouble. :-) I thought it might be better to let it die on it's
own, rather than fuel the fires, *especially* if it was a troll.
Although, I had that "troll" business covered when I explained
*why* I was troubling myself to respond to "Kasia" even though
suspecting it was a troll with some hidden agenda.

Has anyone heard from "Kasia" lately?

Jackie, do you suppose that "Kasia" was in fact this Nelson woman
in disguise seeking to provoke the very responses she now
declares she's going to "paraphrase?"

Folks, what do you think?

If this is true, and if it could be *shown to be true*, (network
gurus and lawyers it's time to step in here) we might have some
very useful evidence to use against this Nelson woman and put a
stop to this unethical invasion of our private group and
misappropriation of our words.

> I do not have the power to prevent such violations other than
once
> discovering the violator, to remove them from the list.  The
adherence
> to this policy primarily depends on the honor system.  So I
plead with
> all subscribers here to please respect your fellow members in
this list
> and respect the policy established to protect open and free
exchange on
> this list.  This is *your* community and it's success is
determined by
> the mutual respect and consideration of all its members.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Jackie

Yes, it is our community and we need to take care of it as
vigorously and vigilantly as you have striven to do, Jackie. I
say that it is *no accident* that this community is as agreeable
as it is --- someone *worked* to make it that way. That someone
is Jackie Fenton, our list owner.

The older I get, the more firmly convinced I am that, basically,
humans do not work and play well together when left to their own
devices. (They *shoot* at one another these days on their daily
commutes, for heaven's sake...!) That PaddleWise has been, and
continues to be, so successful is attributable to the efforts of
Jackie Fenton.

Thank you, Jackie.

Folks, I don't speak up much here, because I have so much more to
learn than to teach, and so I read quietly and appreciatively,
grateful for the opportunity to be a member of this wonderful
list. You folks on PaddleWise are the best --- you've taught me a
ton and entertained me to boot. And you've done it with
expertise, humor, grace, and a spirit of teamwork and community
that is unsurpassed. And I thank you, one and all. :-)

We need to defend our community against the depredations of the
likes of this Nelson woman, bereft of ethics as she would appear
to be. We need to take care of this list for ourselves and for
Jackie.

Best Regards to All,

Bruce (who feels better now :-)




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