ralph diaz <rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com> wrote (the note that started the commando camping thread): Subject: [Paddlewise] Sea Kayakers Behavior I got this heads-up from a fellow PaddleWiser: - ------------- Hey, Ralph -- did you see this? http://www.paddling.net/sameboat/ - ------------- >>Basically it is an article made up of two parts. The first part is of boorish behavior by a bunch of kayakers who pull up on to a dock on a private island in broad daylight and then proceed to defecate, pee, crawl all over the place. The second part has to do with the Commando Camping section of the Camping section of my book in which I go through the necessity of sometimes having to commando camp (I believe, BTW, that I coined the phrase...not the practice as I know kayakers and long range bicyclists have done this for just about forever) and suggesting ways of doing so that are non-disruptive to the property and privacy of the location.<< <SNIP> The column Ralph is referring to was written by none other than Tamia Nelson. Somebody apparently finked on Tamia's article to Ralph by sending him the URL to look at it (or maybe they even quoted it--I don't know). Ralph then paraphrased the article for us on paddlewise. I don't see anything wrong with this. Does anybody? Apparently someone sent Ms. Nelson what has been written on paddlewise in response to Ralph (or tipped her off to look in the archives, if this is possible--I don't know enough about them to know). If that person sent it to Ms. Nelson directly this is in violation of the list policy and copyright statement. I know this could have been done quite innocently by someone new to this list or someone who wasn't familiar with (or forgot) the paddlewise policy. I was in that situation once myself when I gave the editor of Sea Kayaker a heads up and quoted a few postings for an example of being said about them regarding Doug's Storm Island story. The thought of the copyright policy never crossed my mind until I got my knuckles rapped by mom for it. If some one on this list tipped off Ms. Nelson (in a way that violated list policy or not) I invite them to come forward and explain how it happened, at least to Jackie. I'm sure if it is a first offense Jackie will show leniency, as she did with me. So far I don't see anything Ms. Nelson herself has done wrong. My understanding is she asked the posters that she wanted to quote for their permission to do so (much like asking a landowner for permission to camp). The posters were free to give or withhold their permission and Ms. Nelson appeared willing to abide by that. The fact that she may need to paraphrase the posters was not be her first choice but seems a reasonable way to write the story if permission to quote is not given (even if Ralph had not paraphrased her article in the first place--starting this whole thread). Did Ralph ask her permission to do so? Did he need to? I don't think so. I for one think we should commend Ms. Nelson for asking permission. That seems to be in line with list policy. I don't know but I assume she didn't entice a paddlewise member to get her the info. Maybe she is already a lurker on this list? >From what I've seen she hasn't done anything that merits the pillorying she has been getting here. BTW I have no idea who Ms. Nelson is and had to run her name through a lot of search engines to find her paddling site since Jackie and none of the other posters on this subject said what it was (except the original one--and that wasn't easy for me to later find in the digests--due to the subject name change--after reading Ms. Nelson's original story and being reminded by it how this thread first got started). I may not know the whole story here but right now it looks to me like humans have this tendency to identify and burn witches. We like to think that witch burning is in the distant past but right now we have a war on drug users in this country that smells a lot like burning flesh to me. A lot of modern day drug witches are serving long sentences and seriously overcrowding the jails (and more serious criminals are going unpunished for lack of room--including one very serious kayak thief). It appears we humans need to blame and punish someone who scares us by what they choose to eat. That's it! I just discovered to solution to overcrowding on beaches and campsites. You guessed it, we pass a law against kayaking, after all we've already read how it can lead to stronger life threatening stuff like surfing and going out during dangerous storms. Kayaking has also been shown to lead directly to serious crimes, like first degree trespassing. I say we nip this scourge in the bud and make the sale, possession and use of kayaks absolutely verboten. We already have incontrovertible evidence that many kayak users are seriously addicted. They are known to suffer agonizing withdrawal symptoms when they can't get their weekly fix. Many readily admit this is the case, just read the paddlewise bulletin board. If somebody you know tries to turn you on to kayaking even just once "Just say NO!" Don't let them pressure you into kayaking even one time. Once is enough to get you hooked and seal your fate, sending you down that slippery kelp covered slope into degradation and poverty. You'll go from renting kayaks more and more often until you admit you are helpless in the face of this addiction and spend thousands of dollars on your own kit. But it doesn't stop there, many user can't stop with just one kayak but keep buying more and more even more expensive kayaks. Their poor wives and husbands may plead with them that they can't afford it and need the money for basic necessities like food and remodeling the bathroom. Who knows what these addicts may do to get the money, we already know about their willingness to break the law and violate others property rights. I say the death penalty is too easy on them and doesn't provide a deterrent to somebody who already shows a reckless disregard for their own life and the property of others. I say we need to bring back the family values from the past like hand amputation and public torture to ensure that they can never paddle again and that others aren't tempted to follow in their paddle strokes. "A Paddling to End All Paddling" will be our motto. Matt Broze (self-appointed "kayak czar" in the future war on kayaking--as soon as, with the Lord's help, I can kick the kayak habit and become an ex-kayak dealer). http://www.marinerkayaks.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************Received on Wed Jul 12 2000 - 04:03:55 PDT
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