[Paddlewise] [Fwd: "roll muscles" in other sports]

After testing the waters via Jed (if that is indeed his true identity),
I've decided to forward these ramblings to the community at large...

Although it has been over ten years since I water skied, closer to
fifteen since kneeboarding seriously, I still remember the physiology
involved.  Unlike stand-up skiing in which the entire lower body comes
into play, kneeboarding puts most of the load on the torso muscles in
conjunction with the upper leg (front plus back to the glutes).  (same
back, shoulders, arm muscles used as in other forms of H2O skiing - just
talking non-back muscles, torso and lower here)

Initiating cutbacks off the wake one had to not only pull hard with the
obliques on the inside edge of the board (as would be done during hip
snap), but simultaneously crushing the outside edge of the board in with
the same region muscles (opposite side of the torso).  These movements
were slow (not twitch) and precisely controlled compared to the rolling
hip snap (which still puts a kink in my rolling from time to time).

The other action which closer mimics the rolling hip snap (in my book
anyway) is snap roll tricks off the wake (still kneeboarding).  Instead
of rolling the board smoothly off the wake for barrel rolls, etc., one
would violently snap the board off the wake, "throwing the shoulders
through the hips and following with the head" for some aerial roll type
tricks.  Same muscles as above, but greater range of movement (like hand
rolling hip snap) and more of a twitch movement (also as in kayaking's
hip snap).

Don't know of any other activities which use those "hip snap muscles" to

that degree (performance driving, maybe) or through that range (martial
arts?). Anyway, just my two cents from semi lurker-land (until my
computer and internet stay up long enough that I can get caught up on
e-mail :-)

Vince
just slightly overly psyched new Anas pilot
please forgive the banter of my earlier postings for I knew not what I
was dropping into (bad timing)

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Mornin' Jed,

Can you do me a favor and forward this on to Kevin Whilden and the others who were
a part of this thread (have already deleted all the older posts), but only if you
think the following has any worth.  Thanks.

Although it has been over ten years since I water skied, closer to fifteen since
kneeboarding seriously, I still remember the physiology involved.  Unlike stand-up
skiing in which the entire lower body comes into play, kneeboarding puts most of
the load on the torso muscles in conjunction with the upper leg (front plus back
to the glutes).  (same back, shoulders, arm muscles used as in other forms of H2O
skiing - just talking non-back muscles, torso and lower here)

Initiating cutbacks off the wake one had to not only pull hard with the obliques
on the inside edge of the board (as would be done during hip snap), but
simultaneously crushing the outside edge of the board in with the same region
muscles (opposite side of the torso).  These movements were slow (not twitch) and
precisely controlled compared to the rolling hip snap (which still puts a kink in
my rolling from time to time).

The other action which closer mimics the rolling hip snap (in my book anyway) is
snap roll tricks off the wake (still kneeboarding).  Instead of rolling the board
smoothly off the wake for barrel rolls, etc., one would violently snap the board
off the wake, "throwing the shoulders through the hips and following with the
head" for some aerial roll type tricks.  Same muscles as above, but greater range
of movement (like hand rolling hip snap) and more of a twitch movement (also as in
kayaking's hip snap).

Don't know of any other activities which use those "hip snap muscles" to that
degree (performance driving, maybe) or through that range (martial arts?).
Anyway, just my two cents from semi lurker-land (until my computer and internet
stay up long enough that I can get caught up on e-mail :-)

Vince
just slightly psyched new boat owner

LedJube_at_aol.com wrote:

> Kevin Whilden wrote:
>
> << I can't think of any other sport or physical endeavor that requires the
>
> same lateral rotational motion as hipsnapping in kayaking. Can you?>>

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