Matt Broze wrote: > I don't know why VCP hatches don't last longer but I suspect it might be > that the rubber is actually a foam so the air in it will allow it to float > (even with the stainless steel ring around it. (BTW Doug--putting a little > bend in the steel ring right next to the white clip attachment will make the > clip work again.) A solid rubber cover might last longer but if it ends up > at the bottom of the ocean SNIPPED > Upon reading of the short life among those who were using 303 I had to > wonder if maybe 303 isn't the best thing for a VCP hatch. Anyone out there > use 303 on both sides and have a 3 year or less life on a VCP lid? I have an hypothesis on why the underside, in defiance of the logic that the upperside would sustain the most exposure and UV damage, is reported to be the side with the greatest tendency to show cracks according to paddlers reporting on this issue. It has to do with the nature of the flexing of the lid and how the two different planes (topside and bottom side) are affected by the action of placing the lid over the hatch hole. The way the hatch is placed over the hole goes something like this. You first slip the lid's rim over a portion of the hole's lip, say a third or so of the circumferance of the lid. Next, and this is where the deterioration effect may lie, you bend the rest of the lid upward to get it over the rest of the hole's lip before than pushing the lid down. Two different planes are involved here, the bottom and top plane. If the lid is a foam as Matt believes it is (good supposition since the lid will float) then the lid basically has two hardened film surfaces with aerated material in between (in a sense it resembles the structure of the material in a cardboard box, i.e. hardened surfaces with a corrugated core). As you go through the action of flexing the lid to fit around the hole's lip, the lifting of one end of the lid puts greater splitting stresses on the underside surface than on the upperside surface. The underside surface is being stretched and bent with a force tending to part its material, whereas the upper surface is being bent inward. This latter crimping action of the upperside will eventually do in its surface but not as fast as the splitting action that the underside is going through. So that is why you may tend to see more cracking on the underside than on the upperside as people have been reporting. It is probably not related to UV damage but to the stresses on the material. You can test this hypothesis (which I don't feel like doing right now; remember it ain't my problem: I don't have no stinking hatches :-)) by cutting off the lid of a cardboard box and cutting a circular piece about the diameter of a hatch. Mark one side with a felt pen "T" for top (i.e. don't use a sharpened pencil which will slightly score the surface). Now start bending the cardboard circular piece the way you would for getting a hatch on and off, i.e. lifting repeatedly about one half or one third of the side marked "T". You will likely start seeing the non "T" side developing cracks. The cardboard test is a bit unfair in that the corrugation material inbetween is corrugated in a parallel pattern whereas the aerated middle material of the Valley hatch is unidirectional with no set pattern. Whether this hypothesis holds true or not there is a bigger safety issue and it is this: --Valley hatches are on fiberglass boats, mainly if not exclusively, and cover hatch holes of glassed in watertight compartments. --Paddlers of such better kayaks, in general, are not so inclined to use air flotation in those compartments because of the pretty solid bulkheads backing them. --No where is it written in company literature that comes with such kayaks (am I mistakened on this?) that the hatches are susceptible to cracking over x years of use and should be regularly checked. --Many paddlers of such kayaks are non-suspecting (until this discussion on Paddlewise has helped draw attention to it) of the potential problem. So there are some paddlers out there who may have a serious breach of their watertight compartments were the hatches to fail in increments or catastrophically. This suggests that it is worthwhile reminding people who you see with such hatches to check them out. That is the nice thing about PaddleWise: it acts as wide network to help individuals see that something that is happening to them and their boats may not be an aberration. Also discussion may even lead to some solutions suggested by others on the listserve. We saw this earlier with VHF radios and relative waterproofness; the same with GPS is very good discussions and give and take. Lots of other areas have been covered wisely here as well. ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************Received on Sun Jul 30 2000 - 10:15:45 PDT
This archive was generated by hypermail 2.4.0 : Thu Aug 21 2025 - 16:30:29 PDT