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From: Jim <jfitz_at_rlc.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] LL Bean Symposium and Atlantic Kayak Tours Skills Symposium
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:11:19 -0400
Good evening,

Would someone please tell me about these two events?  A short synopsis
possibly.  I'm considering attending.

Regards,

Jim Fitzgerald


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From: Sailboat Restorations, Inc. <sailboatrestorations_at_worldnet.att.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] LL Bean Symposium and Atlantic Kayak Tours Skills Symposium
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:01:17 -0400
Jim,
There are people better qualified to tell about them, including some of the
stars of the events, who are on this list.  But generally, the LL Bean event
is a general gathering in Castine, ME, one of the most beautiful places on
Earth, and home to the Maine Maritime Academy.  A general, all-around good
time, from what I gather.  I'd be aware of the need to make arrangements for
accomodations, and I'd be prepared to deal with some traffic problems.  The
ACK event, if it's the one I'm thinking of, is limited to a certain number
of people and is, I think, a relatively advanced event, compared to the LL
Bean thing.  I think it's held up on the Hudson.  That's about all I know.
I had planned to attend the LL Bean event, but other things have intervened.
Oh well.  To me, kayaking is a profoundly individual experience (note I did
not say "individualistic", which I think is different <g>), and group
activities are something I regarding with a bit of ambivalence anyway. . .
Hope this helps.
Mark Lane
NY



> Good evening,
>
> Would someone please tell me about these two events?  A short synopsis
> possibly.  I'm considering attending.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jim Fitzgerald
>
>
>
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From: Bill Hansen <bhansen2_at_twcny.rr.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] LL Bean Symposium and Atlantic Kayak Tours Skills Symposium
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:51:13 -0400
Jim - Bean symposium is a three-day event at the Maine Maritime Academy in
Castine Maine. There are bascially four components: (1) a huge hall,
ordinarily a gymnasium, in which there are dozens of commercial exhibits -
everything from boats to paddles to paddling wear to books to paddling
organizations like the Maine Island Trail Association..... (2) dozens of
actual off-water classes on everything related to kayking and kayking
camping, kayak expeditioning - everything from rough water paddling
technique to weather prediction to hwo to pack a kayak to kayak cooking to
how to pee in a kayak..... you can't think of anything whic isn't
covered......(3) on-water classes in paddling technique (at various levels,
but really all pretty basic), towing, the use of flares....(4) several
outfitters, usually between 6 and 10 different companies,  have on-water
booths from which you can try out various boats, and of course they'll be
delighted to sell you a boat too.

The "on-water" part of the Symposium is on a small lake which is about 0.5
miles from the Maritime Academy. Shuttle bus service is available from the
Academy to the lake.

Food is available from the cafeteria - some of it for extra money. Camping
is available. There are a couple of excellent hotels in Castine, and the
walk to the Maritime Academy is only a few blocks from any of them. Very
casual clothes. Bring a paddle and a spray skirt if you're going to try out
boats - for some reason I've never understood, none of the outfitters except
Maine Island Kayak has those items at their on-water booths.

There are usually a few hundred people who attend. I believe it's the
largest paddling sumposium on the East coast, in terms of the number of
attendees.

Bill Hansen
Ithaca NY

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From: John Fereira <jaf30_at_cornell.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] LL Bean Symposium and Atlantic Kayak Tours Skills Symposium
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:06:13 -0400
Bill summarizes LL Bean well but I thought I'd add a couple of other things...

At 09:51 AM 7/12/00 -0400, Bill Hansen wrote:
>Jim - Bean symposium is a three-day event at the Maine Maritime Academy in
>Castine Maine. 

>(3) on-water classes in paddling technique (at various levels,
>but really all pretty basic), towing, the use of flares....

Some of these are on water classes while the towing, use of flares,
blending strokes items are more demonstrations.  It's probably worth
mentioning that the towing demonstration was taught by Nigel Foster the
past couple of years.  Most of the actualy classes are taught by
instructors at H2Outfitters but the past couple of years there have been a
few classes taught by "celebrity" instructors.  Derek Hutchinson,  Nigel
Foster, and Chris Duff (last year) do a couple classes a day on Saturday
and Sunday.  If you want to take a class, especially one from one of the
"celebrities", register early or arrive before the field house opens on
Friday to sign up.  They fill up quickly.

(4) several
>outfitters, usually between 6 and 10 different companies,  have on-water
>booths from which you can try out various boats, and of course they'll be
>delighted to sell you a boat too.

I would estimate the number of vendors at more like 10-15.  Most of the
major vendors are represented and even a few small ones.  The last two
years Nick Schade has had his personal boats there available for a demo.
I've spent quite a bit of time on the beach the past couple of years
demoing boats and never felt like any of the vendors were pressuring me as
a potential buyer.  Almost all seemed happy just to have people trying out
their boats.

>The "on-water" part of the Symposium is on a small lake which is about 0.5
>miles from the Maritime Academy. Shuttle bus service is available from the
>Academy to the lake.
(and runs about every 15-20 minutes).

>Food is available from the cafeteria - some of it for extra money. 

The food is quite good, especially the lobster dinner Saturday night.

>Camping is available. 

Most people stay in the dorms at the Maine Maritime Academy.  The
accommations are very sparse but dirt cheap ($15 a night for a room which
sleeps two people).  The dorms are right in the middle of where all the
action is.

>There are a couple of excellent hotels in Castine, and the
>walk to the Maritime Academy is only a few blocks from any of them. 

There are also a couple of *very* good restaurants.  Our dinner at the
Castine Inn was one of the best I've ever had...anywhere.  It's very pricey
though.  The whole town of Castine is worth a walking tour.  There is a lot
of history in the area and it is a gorgeous area.

>Very
>casual clothes. Bring a paddle and a spray skirt if you're going to try out
>boats - for some reason I've never understood, none of the outfitters except
>Maine Island Kayak has those items at their on-water booths.

All the vendors have PFD's but usually fewer in number than boats so
bringing your own will get you into a boat quicker.  Most had paddles, of
varying quality.  I didn't bring my paddle last year and when I wanted to
paddle a P&H Sirius a couple of boats were available but I had to wait
almost an hour before I could find a paddle.  Some of the vendors have
spray skirts, but again having your own will get into a boat quicker if
you've got one that's adjustable.

Cold water paddling clothes are also a good idea.  The water is a bit
chilly.  I've worn my wet suit the past couple of years.  It's come in real
handy when climbing into a bunch of different boats with not-so-dry
cockpits.  Don't forget to bring water shoes.  The "beach" is more rocks
and shells, especially at low tide.
>
>There are usually a few hundred people who attend. I believe it's the
>largest paddling sumposium on the East coast, in terms of the number of
>attendees.

750 or so last year I think, from quite a few different states.  Finally,
the URL for the LL Bean Symposium is:

http://www.llbean.com/outdoorsOnline/odp/kayak/courses/kayak_sympos.html

You can read about what you're going to miss..or make plans for next year.

Since this is the first year for the AKT Skills symposium it's hard to
comment on what it'll be like.  Basically, they're bringing in 10 "world
class" instructors (Chris Duff,  Nigel Dennis,  Mike Devlin, ..) to teach a
variety of kayaking skills over three days.  The information packet and web
site (http://members.aol.com/KayakSymposium/) indicate that a equivalent of
a Star 2 level is a prerequisite for attending so I wouldn't say it's for
paddlers with a *lot* of experience.  They're also doing some  pre and post
Symposium training (BCU Star and Coach training and assessments).

I'll write a trip report after I attend.

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