Just did a search and found this link. http://xxx.xxx.xxx/xxxx Apparently, Ms. Pierzga does exist, and is alive and well in Washington State. As to whether she writes under the name of Tamia Nelson, I can't say. Her business email addy is XXX_at_XXX.XXX She can probably be reached at 1800 xxx-xxxx, the phone number for the Xxxxxxxxxxx of Xxxxxxxxxx Xxxxxxxx For those who wish, give her a call and ask. --- Steven Featherkile --- madwolf_at_earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Steven Featherkile: Thanks so much for posting my office telephone number and inviting the planet to give me a call. Why don't you go ahead and look up my home number as well? And how about my address, perhaps you'd like to drop by and discuss rumors about my existence over tea? Now I understand why people use fake "alias" E-mail addresses. It's not just to hide their obsession for kiddie porn; it's to hide from cranky newsgroup participants. I especially resent having my name (yes, it's real, and I'm real, last I checked) turned into a subject heading. You folks are WAY too paranoid! Someone reported having "run a search" for me to discover if I was a real person, but didn't find me anywhere. Could it be that I have a life, and instead of spending all my free time hanging out on the Internet I am instead out paddling and doing other fun stuff? Geez. I initially arrived at Paddlewise a couple weeks ago hoping that I could find someone with experience paddling in Thailand and Burma who could share their experiences with me, as I am planning a trip there in the near future. I posted a request, then signed up for the newsgroup just to see what it was like. I'd been pretty much browsing and deleting messages until the thread on commando camping popped up and I decided to dive in. I've since discovered that this newsgroup does not really encourage a free exchange of ideas and opinions, that in fact you have to pretty carefully vet whatever you say or risk being flamed by someone who doesn't agree with you and can't stand the fact that your opinion is different from theirs. That's why I never responded to the last responses to my posting. It just bummed me out way too much that we couldn't have a civil, informed, lively conversation about this. I guess we should all just stick to discussions about stuff like which boat is easier to roll and what paddle leash to buy. That way we can pretend the other controversies don't exist. Judging from the supportive E-mail I've received from numerous Paddlewisers (all of which I've received directly, outside of the Paddlewise newsgroup), I think there are a lot of other people lurking around who hesitate to talk about stuff that might be controversial. I can see why. My original postings were not meant to provoke or inflame. I was just describing my experiences and stating my opinion. If you don't agree with me, that's okay, but I can't imagine someone being so closed-minded that they would not be curious about someone else's experience of life -- and guerrilla camping -- on this planet. Guess I'm just naive that way. I figured that after the Commando Camping thread had petered out, I'd just remove myself from the group and move on. I'm glad (I think?) that I hung around long enough to witness how a bunch of people I don't know would tie me (and Tamia) to a burning E-stake just for having the gumption to talk about That Which Cannot Be Talked About. How's that for pack mentality? Do you burn books, too? Perhaps Ralph's heretical book that includes mention of commando camping would be a good candidate. M. Lenon called attention to the fact that I'm a good writer, therefore I must be an experienced newsgroupie and must have had ulterior motives for my posting, and therefore I must be up to no good. Perhaps we should burn all the writers out there, as well. As for my relationship with Tamia, I had never even heard of her before this discussion. Some advice for all of you conspiracy theorists out there: Turn off your computer and go outside and get some sunshine. >From: "Steven Featherkile" <madwolf_at_earthlink.net> >Reply-To: madwolf_at_earthlink.net >To: PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subject: [Paddlewise] Kasia Pierzga >Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 9:8:50 -0700 > >Just did a search and found this link. >http://www.xxx.xxx/xxxxxxx/xxxxxxx.htm >Apparently, Ms. Pierzga does exist, and is alive and well in Washington >State. As to whether she writes under the name of Tamia Nelson, I can't >say. >Her business email addy is xxxxx_at_xxx.xxx >She can probably be reached at 1800 xxx-xxxx, the phone number for the >For those who wish, give her a call and ask. > >--- Steven Featherkile >--- madwolf_at_earthlink.net >--- EarthLink: It's your Internet. > > >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and >not >to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission >Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net >Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net >Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ >*************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Before this gets out of hand, no one on PaddleWise or otherwise should be fully identified in the way Kasia was. Nor should we even engage in open forum speculation about a person's existence or not unless some real evidence came up and was germane. People like me and Matt Broze (to name a few of us) are more public figures and our ID is in our SIG and other places. It's because we are considered sources of information and freely give it and are available. But no one else should be fully IDed unless they wish to do so themselves. As for public speculation about the existence of someone, it should not be done without darn good evidence. We had a case years ago of someone posting something to the nyckayaker listserve that was sexually provocative, said in the voice of a woman inviting males to..well do certain things. But email to the address got returned as undeliverable and when one or two of us found that out, we reported THAT to the list. In that case it was clearly someone being bogus and provocative. I knew exactly who it was because I know him well but I didn't "out" him or confront him. I just let it go as his being sophomoric once again. There were a zillion reasons why Kasia may have desisted from further statement of her position regarding commando camping, reasons that I would have surmised well before making a leap of logic to say that she was bogus. My first thought was exactly the one she now stated...i.e. she had had enough. But she could have been off on a job assignment or sick or on vacation or abducted by aliens. I think that Kasia's take regarding PaddleWise is wrong but I certainly can understand why she feels that way especially after the public speculation about her existence followed by the full-scale revelation of her particulars in terms of employment, phone number, etc. Kasia, apologies. I think I am speaking for a lot of us. Kasia must decide for herself whether she wishes to stay on the listserve or not. I think it is worth sticking around...there are a lot of positive things to learn from messages and discussions that make the life of any paddler on the water wiser, safer and more enjoyable. ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 09:56 AM 7/12/00 -0700, Kasia Pierzga wrote: >Steven Featherkile: doing other fun stuff? Geez. > >I initially arrived at Paddlewise a couple weeks ago hoping that I could >find someone with experience paddling in Thailand and Burma who could share >their experiences with me, as I am planning a trip there in the near future. Kasia, I hope this experience doesn't turn you off to much to this mailing list. There are a lot of good people here and your opinions, while controversial, are welcome. Steve Featherkile was *way* out of line. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> From: ralph diaz <rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com> > Kasia, apologies. I think I am speaking for a lot of us. Yes. I would like to extend my apologies, too. Somehow, something went wrong and as list-owner, I feel responsible. So Kasia, I hope you will accept mine and anyone elses apologies for this having gotten so out of hand. > Kasia must decide for herself whether she wishes to stay on the > listserve or not. I think it is worth sticking around...there are a lot > of positive things to learn from messages and discussions that make the > life of any paddler on the water wiser, safer and more enjoyable. I would like to personally invite and ask Kasia to please stay. This list certainly can benefit from your input and needs more input from female kayakers (that's what I think :-) Sincerely, Jackie *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
--- Jackie Fenton <jackie_at_intelenet.net> wrote: > > From: ralph diaz <rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com> > > > Kasia, apologies. I think I am speaking for a lot of us. > > Yes. I would like to extend my apologies, too. Somehow, something > went wrong and as list-owner, I feel responsible. So Kasia, I hope > you will accept mine and anyone elses apologies for this having > gotten > so out of hand. > > > Kasia must decide for herself whether she wishes to stay on the > > listserve or not. I think it is worth sticking around...there are > a lot > > of positive things to learn from messages and discussions that make > the > > life of any paddler on the water wiser, safer and more enjoyable. > > I would like to personally invite and ask Kasia to please stay. This > list certainly can benefit from your input and needs more input from > female kayakers (that's what I think :-) > > Sincerely, > > Jackie > Add my apologies to Kasia to this list. And Jackie, I agree with you -more women [being naturally the superior paddling gender], should speak often and freely here (eek! <Melissa dons her stylishly cut, nicely colored flame-proof wetsuit> ;-) Melissa Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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