Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 06:27:05 -0400 From: Wayne Smith <wsmith16_at_snet.net> Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] handsroll vs paddle roll Kevin Whilden wrote: << I can't think of any other sport or physical endeavor that requires the same lateral rotational motion as hipsnapping in kayaking. Can you?>> Wayne wrote: <<Yes, racquetball. The most powerful hitters in the game get their power from striding into their shot, and rotating their torsos. The upper body only provides the whip action at the end of the swing that makes contact. For that matter, hitting a baseball is mostly a matter of body rotation as well --- watch Griffey Jr. hit sometime ---- his swing starts in his feet. I've found that my backhand shot in r-ball and my sweep roll feel very similar in terms of what my lower body does.>> I would add boxing to the list. A boxer with a powerful punch always leads his/her hip. You'll often see boxers watching their opponent's hips instead of his face for this reason, since any punch that comes from the 'arms only' (like a weak jab) isn't really worth worrying about. BTW, I've seen one of my old paddling buddies do a roll without even using his hands... they were tucked into his PFD. It was all hips! Cheers, Dave Dave Williams dave_at_paddleasia.com -- http://paddleasia.com -- Phuket, Thailand *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Kevin Whilden wrote: << I can't think of any other sport or physical endeavor that requires the same lateral rotational motion as hipsnapping in kayaking. Can you?>> Wayne wrote: <<Yes, racquetball. The most powerful hitters in the game get their power from striding into their shot, and rotating their torsos. (snip-o-rama) For that matter, hitting a baseball is mostly a matter of body rotation as well >> Dave Williams wrote: << I would add boxing to the list. A boxer with a powerful punch always leads his/her hip. (snipette) BTW, I've seen one of my old paddling buddies do a roll without even using his hands... they were tucked into his PFD. It was all hips! >> I would respectfully disagree with Wayne and Dave. The torso rotation that both of you describe as being so powerful is in fact a wondrous thing, but it not the same movement that the hips describe during a roll. The torso rotation that is used in Racquetball, Baseball and Boxing is around the vertical axis, while the hip rotation is, I believe, around the longitudinal axis. Please forgive me if I have labeled the axis incorrectly, certainly one of PW's many engineers can correct me if I am wrong. Jedthro *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Jed, I had this same discussion with Kevin. Maybe it's just me, but I do use the rotation that is similar to racquetball or baseball in my sweep roll. I do it very slowly, and just rotate my upper torso. There's a bit of an aspect of lean in it, for certain, but it's much closer to baseball than my c-to-c roll, which is more or less a violent lean, with almost no sweep. With that roll, I agree with you 100%. Could be that I learn by "feel", and it's just that it feels the same. I'd like to have someone videotape me doing about 10 or 12 different rolls, so I can actually see how I do them. Could be interesting. Anyone here ever do that? Wayne > I would respectfully disagree with Wayne and Dave. The torso rotation > that both of you describe as being so powerful is in fact a wondrous thing, > but it not the same movement that the hips describe during a roll. The torso > rotation that is used in Racquetball, Baseball and Boxing is around the > vertical axis, while the hip rotation is, I believe, around the longitudinal > axis. Please forgive me if I have labeled the axis incorrectly, certainly one > of PW's many engineers can correct me if I am wrong. > > Jedthro > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 7/15/00 11:50:31 PM, wsmith16_at_snet.net writes: << Could be that I learn by "feel", and it's just that it feels the same. I'd like to have someone videotape me doing about 10 or 12 different rolls, so I can actually see how I do them. Could be interesting. Anyone here ever do that? >> Just as soon as I find that winning lottery number, I'm going to buy an underwater video camera system so I can start a roll analysis service that features multiple camera angles and computer movement analysis. Jed (and his beanstalk) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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