After testing the waters via Jed (if that is indeed his true identity), I've decided to forward these ramblings to the community at large... Although it has been over ten years since I water skied, closer to fifteen since kneeboarding seriously, I still remember the physiology involved. Unlike stand-up skiing in which the entire lower body comes into play, kneeboarding puts most of the load on the torso muscles in conjunction with the upper leg (front plus back to the glutes). (same back, shoulders, arm muscles used as in other forms of H2O skiing - just talking non-back muscles, torso and lower here) Initiating cutbacks off the wake one had to not only pull hard with the obliques on the inside edge of the board (as would be done during hip snap), but simultaneously crushing the outside edge of the board in with the same region muscles (opposite side of the torso). These movements were slow (not twitch) and precisely controlled compared to the rolling hip snap (which still puts a kink in my rolling from time to time). The other action which closer mimics the rolling hip snap (in my book anyway) is snap roll tricks off the wake (still kneeboarding). Instead of rolling the board smoothly off the wake for barrel rolls, etc., one would violently snap the board off the wake, "throwing the shoulders through the hips and following with the head" for some aerial roll type tricks. Same muscles as above, but greater range of movement (like hand rolling hip snap) and more of a twitch movement (also as in kayaking's hip snap). Don't know of any other activities which use those "hip snap muscles" to that degree (performance driving, maybe) or through that range (martial arts?). Anyway, just my two cents from semi lurker-land (until my computer and internet stay up long enough that I can get caught up on e-mail :-) Vince just slightly overly psyched new Anas pilot please forgive the banter of my earlier postings for I knew not what I was dropping into (bad timing) X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <3976DAE9.2C578DA7_at_home.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:56:41 -0100 From: Vince Dalrymple <vincedalrymple_at_home.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LedJube_at_aol.com Subject: "roll muscles" in other sports References: <d9.6e1cffa.26a24ccb_at_aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mornin' Jed, Can you do me a favor and forward this on to Kevin Whilden and the others who were a part of this thread (have already deleted all the older posts), but only if you think the following has any worth. Thanks. Although it has been over ten years since I water skied, closer to fifteen since kneeboarding seriously, I still remember the physiology involved. Unlike stand-up skiing in which the entire lower body comes into play, kneeboarding puts most of the load on the torso muscles in conjunction with the upper leg (front plus back to the glutes). (same back, shoulders, arm muscles used as in other forms of H2O skiing - just talking non-back muscles, torso and lower here) Initiating cutbacks off the wake one had to not only pull hard with the obliques on the inside edge of the board (as would be done during hip snap), but simultaneously crushing the outside edge of the board in with the same region muscles (opposite side of the torso). These movements were slow (not twitch) and precisely controlled compared to the rolling hip snap (which still puts a kink in my rolling from time to time). The other action which closer mimics the rolling hip snap (in my book anyway) is snap roll tricks off the wake (still kneeboarding). Instead of rolling the board smoothly off the wake for barrel rolls, etc., one would violently snap the board off the wake, "throwing the shoulders through the hips and following with the head" for some aerial roll type tricks. Same muscles as above, but greater range of movement (like hand rolling hip snap) and more of a twitch movement (also as in kayaking's hip snap). Don't know of any other activities which use those "hip snap muscles" to that degree (performance driving, maybe) or through that range (martial arts?). Anyway, just my two cents from semi lurker-land (until my computer and internet stay up long enough that I can get caught up on e-mail :-) Vince just slightly psyched new boat owner LedJube_at_aol.com wrote: > Kevin Whilden wrote: > > << I can't think of any other sport or physical endeavor that requires the > > same lateral rotational motion as hipsnapping in kayaking. Can you?>> *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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