Subject: [Paddlewise] Lake Powell: kayaking with portable toilets? Hello, Yes, the groover requirement has been in effect for ~ 2 years. Rangers have been checking. They are looking for a "washable, reusable toilet system". It's typical of western rivers. There is a "boom box" toilet that's small and works well. It can be used without the seat. The idea is that they don't want you pitching the whole thing into the nearest dumpster on landing, since the EPA doesn't allow human waste in landfills-don't ask about diapers! There are dump station/barges moored at the Escalante Arm, and I think one is in Bullfrog Bay someplace. For an upcoming Middle Fork Salmon self-support whitewater kayak trip we will be allowed to use a 4" PVC pipe, with a cap on one end and a plug on the other end. Maybe that will work for Lake Powell, ask them. It may take putting the crap into the pipe with a trowel or something, unless you are skilled. Requirements for things like fire pans and groovers vary. These aren't really chemical toilets, just holding tanks. You can add some RV toilet liquid to cut odor or turn the stuff into a slurry for dumping with an RV hose and water connection, as in the Boom Box. It's not just here. I saw commercial groups with Boom Boxes strapped onto the back of doubles around Loreto last winter, as we got to the end of a San Felipe>Loreto trip. The new marine park there is requiring commercials to do that. The smaller model of Boom Box will go in ahead of the footpegs in some boats. Maybe one of the bigger boats in your group will have room, or a smaller alternative will work. Also, while paddling on "Lake" Powell, you may want to recall that Seldom Seen Smith in the _Monkey Wrench Gang_ was praying for a "pree-cision earthquake" under Glen Canyon Dam. If that happens, you may be able to test the low/high bracing contorversy on breaking waves. Cheers, Jay Gingrich Alma, CO *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Jay Gingrich said: >For an upcoming Middle Fork Salmon self-support whitewater kayak trip we >will be allowed to use a 4" PVC pipe, with a cap on one end and a plug >on the other end. Maybe that will work for Lake Powell, ask them. It >may take putting the crap into the pipe with a trowel or something, >unless you are skilled. I sometimes climb 'big walls' in Yosemite were there is a requirement to take your solid human waste with you - we use a similar pipe called the 'poop tube'. People used to go in brown paper bags and toss these off the wall and they would litter the base of the climbs. Now we just pop them in the tube and dispose of them later. I don't think putting the crap in with a trowel would be very nice! Top tip - roll the top of the bag down to form a sort of ring to keep the opening open... Keith Robertson *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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