I posted: <snip> ...a recurring adrenaline junkie who busted off his bow's keel strip today while surfing BC ferry wake into a reef off tiny Newcastle Island while paddling with a company of timid environmentalists from the Georgia Straight Alliance - tenth anniversary celebration weekend - who headed... That should be the "Georgia _Strait_ Alliance", though this brings up an amusing moment from the weekend. After the paddle and nature walks, etc, of the weekend celebration were over, we all sat around in a closing-circle and talked about the significance of the weekend and the marine environment we are trying to save (we do weird things like that here on Vancouver Island - the circle part, but we didn't hold hands). Some gal got up on her hobby horse and went on about an irrelevant lesbian gay pride parade happening in a few weeks. As she does have involvement with the GSA, she added "Oh yeah, I'll continue to fight for the "Strait" too. She didn't realize what she said at the end juxtaposed to her gay-pride speech, where upon we roared with laughter because it sounded like she was also going to advocate for the "straight". Guess you had to be there. BC'in Ya Doug Lloyd (who has nothing against gays) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
My summary response to Doug's unwritten "point" is at the end -- On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Doug Lloyd wrote: > I posted: > <snip> > ...a recurring adrenaline junkie who busted off his bow's keel strip > today > while surfing BC ferry wake into a reef off tiny Newcastle Island while > paddling with a company of timid environmentalists from the Georgia > Straight Alliance - tenth anniversary celebration weekend - who > headed... > > That should be the "Georgia _Strait_ Alliance", though this brings up an > amusing moment from the weekend. After the paddle and nature walks, etc, > of the weekend celebration were over, we all sat around in a > closing-circle and talked about the significance of the weekend and the > marine environment we are trying to save (we do weird things like that > here on Vancouver Island - the circle part, but we didn't hold hands). > Some gal got up on her hobby horse and went on about an irrelevant > lesbian gay pride parade happening in a few weeks. As she does have > involvement with the GSA, she added "Oh yeah, I'll continue to fight for > the "Strait" too. She didn't realize what she said at the end juxtaposed > to her gay-pride speech, where upon we roared with laughter because it > sounded like she was also going to advocate for the "straight". Guess > you had to be there. > > BC'in Ya > Doug Lloyd (who has nothing against gays) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Somehow, Doug, I question the extent of your veracity on your last point. Why did you derogatorily refer to the woman (I assume she was at least 16 years old) as a "gal"? And why the bit about the "hobby horse?" As someone who has been to meetings of minds from various perspectives, issues, and causes, I have observed that it is perfectly normal, even beneficial, to connect them. Because so many social issues share a common source of oppression with environmental issues, it makes sense to try to touch and educate as many people as possible. Not everyone is totally effective in all of these areas. You have proven that. Try to listen more carefully, demonstrate real respect for where people come from, and perhaps people will show the same for you. Bill Oetjen *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
"William J. Oetjen" wrote: <snip> > > > Doug Lloyd (who has nothing against gays) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >> Somehow, Doug, I question the extent of your veracity on > your last point.<< Sorry Bill, I did post some silly stuff last night. Sometimes you just get in the mood to be silly, and most folks on the list make allowances so as to "humor" each other (suffer each other?) as long as the individual isn't too silly, too much of the time :-) As far as questioning my veracity, you have the right, given the scope of the issue these days, and the intolerant people who abound. But rest assured, I for one have nothing against any particular group. I treat people as people, regardless of sexual orientation, race, religion, occupation, type of flimsy sea kayak they paddle :-), or whatever. I work with gay friends all day, paddle with them, and it's not even an issue anymore. If you want to question the "extent" of my veracity, then by all means: But sorry, I don't have an "extent" to my feelings on the issue, because it isn't an issue with me - I just don't think about it too much. If I do, it is usually trying to get my co workers and fellow church goers to back of the anti-gay rhetoric that takes on hateful proportions at time -- which is antithetical to a good work place ethic and true Christian love -- and productive Paddlewise discussion. This rejoiner _is_ relevant to PW too, as it is a good reminder toward being tolerant where a particular belief or lifestyle has no real impact on one's personal life. > > > Why did you derogatorily refer to the woman (I assume she was at least 16 > years old) as a "gal"? And why the bit about the "hobby horse?" Funny, I picked that term precisely because I thought it was the least derogatory (it is the opposite to "guy" in my vernacular - you know, "guys n' gals"), which just goes to show you (as SpeedLump posted earlier) how easily it is to get mistaken on this list. "Hobby horse?" Well, I'm afraid yes, the female environmentalist lesbian did grandstand, _did_ abuse her "talk time" significantly, but we all good naturally accepted it, and were simply laughing with her, not at her, given the unintended pun. > > > As someone who has been to meetings of minds from various perspectives, > issues, and causes, I have observed that it is perfectly normal, even > beneficial, to connect them. Because so many social issues share a common > source of oppression with environmental issues, it makes sense to try to > touch and educate as many people as possible. Not everyone is > totally effective in all of these areas. Absolutely. I was just as bad at the closing ceremonies, because I too used the occasion to make a speech about the fact that I came from a religious community where little tolerance is shown toward those in the faith who prioritize environmental concerns, but that I would endeavor to see the "greening" of people's faith, and that dialogue between the religious "right" and humanist communities was so important if we are going to have a chance of saving our planet from environmental degradation. > You have proven that. > Try to listen more carefully, demonstrate real respect for where people > come from, and perhaps people will show the same for you. No problem there! Again, I'm sorry I came across negatively. I figured most people on the list would take it all in the context it was meant: a quick story of a humorous pun that was not intended to be so by the speaker. Hey, reminds me of a Paul Caffyn joke from his book "Dark Side of the Wave", where he gives a tribute to his dead paddling partner, Max Reynolds: "Where do punsters go when they die?"..."to a punitentiary!" Anyway, let's end the thread right here, lest we all get unraveled again, and rest assured the only intolerance I have is toward paddlers who think the Caribou is a good sea kayak :-) Just kidding!!!!!!!!! BC'in Ya Doug Lloyd (who's well educated father said that a pun is the lowest form of wit) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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