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From: <NEWTOT_at_mail.modot.state.mo.us>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Tour Inspired Comments/Questions-Guide Criteria)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 14:16:43 -0500
Rob,
Thanks! - Your assessment of pre-paddle guide instruction put me at ease.  My
wife and I went on a guided trip in the San Juan Islands last week and I was
surprised that they did not make us try a wet exit before launching off.  There
was a person who had never paddled before and she just received an explanation
of "how to" exit if she tipped.   I was upset at the guides for not being more
cautious, but in retrospect they would've been a short sprint away from her had
she needed help.

This brings up the personal issue of what to do when WE are the guides for a new
paddler, such as when we want to introduce a friend to paddling.   I typically
request the newbie to find the limits of stability by extreme leans and wet
exits before the journey begins.  They become more relaxed and are comfortable
with small leans to steer the kayak, rather that stiff and a bit scared.
Problem is when the water and / or air is really cold, making the practice
itself dangerous.  What do you do here?

This situation is common to us all, and most of us don't have that 3 star
certification!  I would be interested in the groups personal criteria for
introducing people to kayaking.  We are the "guides" most of the time!

Tim Newton
Kayaking the Ozarks....


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From: Rob Cookson <rob_cookson_at_mindspring.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Tour Inspired Comments/Questions-Guide Criteria)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 12:40:35 -0700
Hi Tim and All,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net
> [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net]On Behalf Of
> NEWTOT_at_mail.modot.state.mo.us
> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 12:17 PM

>
> Rob,
> Thanks! - Your assessment of pre-paddle guide instruction put me
> at ease.

You're welcome.

<SNIP>

> This brings up the personal issue of what to do when WE are the
> guides for a new
> paddler, such as when we want to introduce a friend to paddling.
>  I typically
> request the newbie to find the limits of stability by extreme
> leans and wet
> exits before the journey begins.  They become more relaxed and
> are comfortable
> with small leans to steer the kayak, rather that stiff and a bit scared.
> Problem is when the water and / or air is really cold, making the practice
> itself dangerous.  What do you do here?
>
> This situation is common to us all, and most of us don't have that 3 star
> certification!  I would be interested in the groups personal criteria for
> introducing people to kayaking.  We are the "guides" most of the time!

Well, first I'm not certified, though have been accused of being
certifiable....  I was a registered Maine Guide for years but have let that
lapse...  Never found a reason for any other certification.

I rarely take new paddlers out in non -professional settings.  On the few
occasions I do, I usually handle it like I would if it were a Pro trip.
That is I give instruction appropriate to the situation and setting.

Happy paddling.

--
Rob Cookson
"I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the
Atmosphere." Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Abigail Adams, February 22,
1787.


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From: Kirk Olsen <kolsen_at_imagelan.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Tour Inspired Comments/Questions-Guide Criteria)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 16:30:38 -0400 (EDT)
On Mon, 31 Jul 2000 NEWTOT_at_mail.modot.state.mo.us wrote:

> Thanks! - Your assessment of pre-paddle guide instruction put me at ease.  My
> wife and I went on a guided trip in the San Juan Islands last week and I was
> surprised that they did not make us try a wet exit before launching off.

This can be taken to the other extreme.  I took a class where we were 
required to demonstrate a wet exit before we started paddling.  I 
rolled/handrolled the boat I was in several times before we started, but 
was told I still needed to demonstrate a wet exit before we could start.

The instructor needed to get the little checkmark on the insurance form...
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