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Dave Williams <dave_at_paddleasia.com> asked: >>>>>.Does anyone know of a kayak that's suitable for a small 5 year old? What about a small, short paddle?<<<<<< Stearn's little inflatable kayak the IK-86 (7-0 x28") might be just the ticket. It is for someone 50 to 110 pounds and comes with a small kids sized paddle. The paddle isn't much to speak of but I have been impressed with the similarly designed but bigger IK116 (9-8 x 33") inflatable kayak that fits me. It paddled a whole lot better than many of the little recreational kayaks I was trying out at this years West Coast Sea Kayaking Symposium and was quite comfortable to sit in. It tracked okay with the fin but still turns on a dime. The IK86 costs $199.95 which also beats the pants off most kids sized kayaks on price too. It would be easy to ship to you as well. STEARNS INC: P.O.Box 1498, St. Cloud, MN 56302 (800)697-5801 (320)252-1642 fax:(320)252-4425 www.stearnsinc.com stearns_at_stearnsnet.com Other child's kayaks you might consider: EDDYLINE KAYAKS:Tom Derrer (factory: 15466 Ashten Rd., Burlington, WA 98233 (360) 757-2300 fax:(360)757-2302 www.eddyline.com eddyline_at_halcyon.com store:1019 Q. Av., Cap Sante Marina, Anacortes, WA 98221 (360)299-2300) makes the Skimmer (12-6 x 22"), or its plastic version the Aquaterra/Perception Umiak (12-3 x 21") PERCEPTION: 111 Kayaker Way, P.O. Box 8002, Easley, SC 29641(?42) (864)859-7518, fax:(864)855-5995 (800)262-0268 (800)59KAYAK www.kayaker.com e-mail:mktg_at_kayaker.com ENGLEHART PRODUCTS:Rick (1261 Bobbitt Rd., Euclid, OH 44132 (877)790-9912 fax:(216)732-9927) makes the Episea (14-4 x 20.5") WILDERNESS SYSTEMS: P.O.Box 4339, Archdale, NC 27263, (336)434-7470 fax:(336)434-6912 cservice_at_wildsys.com www.wildsys.com info_at_youcanpaddle.com www.youcanpaddle.com makes the Poquito (12-0 x 20.5") and Piccolo (13-5 x20") AQUADYNAMIC WATERCRAFT:Bruce Lord Box 175, Wabamun, Alberta T0E 2K0 Canada (780)892-3392 fax:(780)892-4920 blord_at_telusplanet.net www.aquadynamic.com makes a Cadet II and Sea Cadet both (11-3 x 20") WEST SIDE KAYAK SHOP:Doug Bushnell 7661 Tonawanda Creek Rd., Lockport, NY 14094 (716) 434-5755 has or once had a Baby Otter (9-8 x 22") child's kayak SIMON RIVER SPORTS (SRS):Lou & Karen Lukanovic (formerly Canoes Beaumier Ltee. near Montreal, Quebec, Canada toll free(877)529-2518 info_at_kayakit.com www.kayakit.com has announced their intention of making a kids trainer called the Skipper (I don't have the dimensions yet--okay I just found them 13-7 x 19.25") OLD TOWN CANOE CO.: 58 Middle St., Old Town, ME 04468 (800)595-4400 (207) 827-5513 fax:(207)827-2779 www.otccanoe.com email:quhl39a_at_prodigy.com has a Loon 86 (8-6 x22") for children. NIMBUS/RAINFOREST DESIGNS LTD:Steve Schleicher #6-9903 240th St., Albion, BC, Canada V0M 1B0 (604)467-9932 fax:(604)467-8890 www.nimbuskayaks.com sschleic_at_direct.ca used to make a child's kayak called the Sprite (10-5 x21") back in the 1980's (note their present "Sprite" (9-9 x28") is not the same model. NECKY KAYAKS LTD: Mike Neckar 1100 Riverside Rd., Abbotsford, BC, V2S 7P1 Canada (604)850-1206 fax (604)850-3197 www.necky.com once made a kid's trainer back (13-8 x20") back in the 1980's (I had one for a while for my kids). Matt Broze http://www.marinerkayaks.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 07:56 PM 12/1/00 -0800, Matt Broze wrote: >Dave Williams <dave_at_paddleasia.com> asked: > >>>>>>.Does anyone know of a kayak that's suitable for a small 5 year old? >What >about a small, short paddle?<<<<<< Matt posts a great list of possibilities. I notice that there are no Mariner kayaks on the list. I just wanted to say that I admire a kayak designer that recognizes other vendors and tries to put someone in the right kayak for that person rather than just trying to sell one of their own. It makes me want to do business with that kind of person. Another possibility would be to build your own kids kayak (with the help of the kid). Pygmy makes a Goldeneye 10, a 10' long 17" wide boat that only weighs 14 pounds. I don't know if it's available in plans form but any other S&G boat could be scaled down to kid size and would make a great father/son project. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
John Fereira wrote: > >Dave Williams <dave_at_paddleasia.com> asked: > >>>>>>.Does anyone know of a kayak that's suitable for a small 5 year old? > >What about a small, short paddle?<<<<<< > Another possibility would be to build your own kids kayak (with the help > of the kid). Pygmy makes a Goldeneye 10, a 10' long 17" wide boat > that only weighs 14 pounds. I've seen these Pygmy boats, and aside from the building experience, they are lighter than equivalent composite or plastic boats -- a plus if the little one is to carry it. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On 12/1/00 Dave Williams asked: "Does anyone know of a kayak that's suitable for a small 5 year old? What about a small, short paddle"? Dear Dave, I saw a mom and small son that I would guess to be in the 6 to 8 year old range having a heck of a good time on Town Lake a few months back. The mom was standing in waist high water and had a tether line attached to a "Poco" by Ocean Kayak. She would let him go out about 15 ft. or so and haul him back. The little guy was having the time of his life and as I put in and paddled out I gave him a thumbs up and got back the biggest grin I have seen in ages! If you go to: www.padd;ing.net/Reviews/Kayaks.phtml You can see reviews of several smaller kayaks some of which are suitable for the age group that you asked about. Check out what is said about the Poco it sounds like just the one. When I take my great nieces and nephews out ( ages 4 to 9 ) on my Hobie Pursuit SOT.... you would think I had re-invented the word adventure...They love it! As to paddles if you can not find one at a kayak shop or outfitter try a swim shop or outdoor shop that sells inflatables and water toys I have seen kiddy paddles in places like that. For the larger kids I have shortened one of my cheap, light, old paddles with a hacksaw, filed the edges smooth and re-drilled the holes for the button thingies. ( please excuse the technospeak ) It works just fine for just thrashing about in shallow water...as long as they can move forward they are thrilled. Have fun! Rob Dee Austin, Texas *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 11:06 PM 12/1/00 -0600, Rob Dee wrote: >On 12/1/00 Dave Williams asked: > > >When I take my great nieces and nephews out ( ages 4 to 9 ) on my Hobie >Pursuit SOT.... you would think I had re-invented the word >adventure...They love it! A couple of years ago we rented a vacation home at the outer banks that was right on the sound. I rented a SOT for the surf but took it out into flat water of the sound with my, then 2 1/2 year old niece sitting in front of me, and paddle out a couple hundred feet to get a closer look at an osprey nest. She was very nervous at first but wanted to go out again as soon as we got back. She and her family were here for a visit last weekend and when I brought my paddle out to get ready for a pool session she picked it up, and started to wave it back and forth and asked "this is how you do it, right?" She was obviously paying attention. She loves the water so I'm hoping the next time she visits when the water is warm to get her back in a kayak. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
John Fereira wrote: >>>>Another possibility would be to build your own kids kayak (with the help of the kid). Pygmy makes a Goldeneye 10, a 10' long 17" wide boat that only weighs 14 pounds. I don't know if it's available in plans form but any other S&G boat could be scaled down to kid size and would make a great father/son project.<<<<<< Sorry Dave, I missed that one. In my rush to go visit my mother before it got too late, I didn't check my Non-North American, wood, or skin kayak databases in compiling the previous list. Some other possibilities I missed are the Kid sized kayak that Chris Cunningham of Sea Kayaker made for his kids (maybe Sea Kayaker Magazine has plans for it). Some other wood kayaks, kits or plans are available from: BETSIE BAY KAYAK:Alan Anderson P.O. Box 1706, Frankfort, MI 49635 (231)352-7774 www.betsiebaykayak.com info_at_betsiebaykayak.com ----- have or had a Miko-Kid's Kayak (13-6 x 17") GLEN-L MARINE DESIGNS: 9152 Rosecrans, P.O.Box 1804, Bellflower, CA 90706-2138 (562)630-6258 fax:(562)630-6280 www.glen-l.com/ e-mail:info_at_glen-l.com ---- have plans for a 9' Kid's kayak. RIVERCITY KAYAKS:(?J. Libera) 123 Main St., Fountain City, WI 54629 (608)687-8158 www.rivercitykayaks.com jlibera_at_Luminet.net ---- has a Kiddie Kayak 12' (12-8 x 20") HAND CRAFTED KAYAKS:Randy Monge P.O.Box 580, Eastsound, WA 98245 (206)376-3677 (all skin on frame)---- has two skin-on-frame Kidyak's one (12-0 x 22") and another (10-0 x18") FEATHERCRAFT PRODUCTS LTD:Doug Simpson & Larry Zecchel 1244 Cartwright St., Vancouver, BC, V6H 3R8, Canada (604)681-8437 fax:(604)681-7282 http://www.feathercraft.com e-mail: info_at_feathercraft.com -----used to make the folding Koho (11-6 x 22") but I think it has been discontinued. Another option, I forgot to mention, would be to design and build your own Kid's kayak using plywood, skin-on-frame or wood-strip construction. Software to help you design a wood-strip or Aleut style skin kayak can be found for free in the "Downloads" section of our website. Matt Broze http://www.marinerkayaks.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated Mon, 4 Dec 2000 1:03:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Paul Hollerbach" <paulhollerbach_at_netzero.net> writes: << Chesapeake Light Craft also has a kid's kayak, see http://www.clcboats.com/ Ciao, >> To which model are you referring, Paul? Ralph Hoehn *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 12/5/00 8:49:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, cbeckman_at_dmv.com writes: << Ralph Hoehn CLC has the Chesapeake 14, which is a nice boat for children and petite adults. My 11 year old (110 lb.) paddles a Chesapeake 16. I can also take it out, although I'm a bit large for it. Both boats are comfortable and well mannered. I put a skeg on the 16 but she hardly ever uses it. Chris Beckman >> Thanks, Chris! I thought I might have missed something specifically designed for children. I built myself a 16' CLC Yare some years ago, but that's still a bit hefty for my 50# 6-year-old ... will have to break down and build him that very short folder this winter!! Ralph C. Hoehn Ralph_at_PouchBoats.com www.PouchBoats.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
The Xmas 2000 Wyoming River Raiders catalog (800-247-6068 or riverraiders.com) has a Loon 86 Kayak Package for $369. "The Loon 86 is a kayak designed especially for kids. It's easy to paddle, hard to turn over, and weighs 35 lbs. 8'6" L - 22 W. Made for paddlers under 100 lbs." Package deal includes: Old Town Loon 86 kayak, fold-down seat, installed foot braces, and kid's kayak paddle. item number 22184 The photo shows a couple of kids in these yaks (looks like the large cockpit type) - one looks about 4 yoa an dthe other about 5 or 6! (Of course, I may be wrong about these estimates as my "kids" are 32 and 28. sandy kramer miami *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I can imagine that repeated exposure of nylon coated sprayskirts to chlorinated water will degrade the water repellency no matter how thoroughly you rinse the skirt. Anyone have info on whether using a neoprene skirt in pool water will damage it? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
"tfj_at_interaccess.com" wrote: > > I can imagine that repeated exposure of nylon coated sprayskirts to chlorinated > water will degrade the water repellency no matter how thoroughly you rinse the > skirt. Anyone have info on whether using a neoprene skirt in pool water will > damage it? Yes, eventually, even neoprene will be degraded by pool chlorine. Other varieties of rubber (latex, for example) are more quickly degraded, but neo will go, too. Ozone and sunshine degrade neoprene as well. For pool work, it is a good idea to use an old sprayskirt you no longer take on tours. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, tfj_at_interaccess.com wrote: > I can imagine that repeated exposure of nylon coated sprayskirts to chlorinated > water will degrade the water repellency no matter how thoroughly you rinse the > skirt. Anyone have info on whether using a neoprene skirt in pool water will > damage it? in short -- DON'T DO it!!! most folks i know use an old nylon "pool" skirt... neoprene gets eaten pretty quickly... mark -- #------canoeist[at]dotzen[dot]org------------------------------------ # mark zen o, o__ o_/| o_. po box 474 </ [\/ [\_| [\_\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\-') #~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ http://www.dotzen.org/paddler [index to club websites i administer] *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
From: "Mark Z" <canoeist_at_dotzen.org> > On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, tfj_at_interaccess.com wrote: > > > I can imagine that repeated exposure of nylon coated sprayskirts to chlorinated > > water will degrade the water repellency no matter how thoroughly you rinse the > > skirt. > > in short -- DON'T DO it!!! most folks i know use an old nylon > "pool" skirt... neoprene gets eaten pretty quickly... On the other hand, when I asked my scuba instructor years ago how the chlorine affected his wetsuit, he said (after years of teaching and using the a wetsuit over and over in the pool) that it doesn't affect it much other than to bleach the nylon outer layer. If, as Dave K. has said, the chlorine does eat the neoprene, it seems to take a long time. I agree with the approach of using a battered old skirt in the pool - if only because the fading makes it look awful pretty quickly. In all the time I've spent in the pool with wetsuit and/or skirt, I've found the degradation to be minimal. Mike PS - since there are several mixtures and strengths of water purifiers used in swimming pools, YMMV. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Sat, 9 Dec 2000, Michael Daly wrote: > > in short -- DON'T DO it!!! most folks i know use an old nylon > > "pool" skirt... neoprene gets eaten pretty quickly... > > On the other hand, when I asked my scuba instructor years ago how the chlorine > affected his wetsuit, he said (after years of teaching and using the a wetsuit over and > over in the pool) that it doesn't affect it much other than to bleach the nylon outer > layer. If, as Dave K. has said, the chlorine does eat the neoprene, it seems to > take a long time. Judging from the skirts the University WW Club has been using for roll practice, less than 2 yrs of 25-30 times a year pool practice (2 hours) results in noticeable weakening of the neoprene, but little fading. I keep telling them to rinse afterwards, but.... Steve Cramer *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
From: "Steve Cramer" <cramer_at_coe.uga.edu> > On Sat, 9 Dec 2000, Michael Daly wrote: > > > > in short -- DON'T DO it!!! most folks i know use an old nylon > > > "pool" skirt... neoprene gets eaten pretty quickly... > > > > On the other hand, when I asked my scuba instructor years ago how the chlorine > > affected his wetsuit, he said (after years of teaching and using the a wetsuit over and > > over in the pool) that it doesn't affect it much other than to bleach the nylon outer > > layer. If, as Dave K. has said, the chlorine does eat the neoprene, it seems to > > take a long time. > > Judging from the skirts the University WW Club has been using for roll > practice, less than 2 yrs of 25-30 times a year pool practice (2 hours) > results in noticeable weakening of the neoprene, but little fading. I keep > telling them to rinse afterwards, but.... I wonder if the use (rolling, rescue etc) leads to more abuse than regular paddling. This also may reflect the difference in the chemicals (type and concentration) used in the pools. I have two nominally identical skirts, one of which I use in the pool, the other only on fresh water (Both Trailhead logo, made by Brooks). I do rinse the pool one most of the time. The fresh water skirt is two years newer than the pool skirt. There is only a slight difference in fading (leading to the assumption that the sun accounts for most of it) and no difference in the integrity of the neoprene. I think some controlled experiments are in order before we can make some definitive statements on the lifespan of neoprene skirts in the pool. I think it's safe to say - use an old skirt. Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Coated nylon and neoprene are not immune to the effects of chlorine (actually hypochlorite) which is a strong oxidizing agent. Maybe the differences are: a) Coated nylon skirts use a thin layer of adhered waterproofing, and might experience loss of waterproofness more quickly owing to the (lack of) thickness of the waterproof film. b) Neoprene is thicker, and chlorine-induced degradation on the surface may not be immediately evident, especially with a nylon skin. Also, neoprene is not a single chemical entity, but is rather a generic designation for a natural rubber made of polychloroprene, which can be co-polymerized with other chemicals to provide different physical properties. If oxidative stability is a goal of the polymer design, then it probably can be achieved - perhaps at the expense of other physical properties. Steve's testimony indicates that neoprene used for spray skirts degrades on exposure to chlorine. Maybe the manufacturer of Mike's skirt uses a different neoprene formulation. c) Neoprene used in diving suits doesn't need to be as stretchy, and might be formulated differently - or it may be that the degradative effects of chlorine aren't as noticeable in unstretched neoprene. IIRC, the neoprene molecule exists in a coiled shape, and owes it's stretchiness to the uncoiling of the molecule under stress (natural/latex rubber behaves in similar fashion and has the *best* stretchy characteristics, but has less durability towards chemicals and the environment). Don't use your good skirt in the pool! Erik Sprenne Michael Daly" <michaeldaly_at_home.com> wrote: >>> On the other hand, when I asked my scuba instructor years ago how the chlorine affected his wetsuit, he said (after years of teaching and using the a wetsuit over and over in the pool) that it doesn't affect it much other than to bleach the nylon outer layer. If, as Dave K. has said, the chlorine does eat the neoprene, it seems to take a long time.<<< To which Steve Cramer <cramer_at_coe.uga.edu> responded: >>> Judging from the skirts the University WW Club has been using for roll practice, less than 2 yrs of 25-30 times a year pool practice (2 hours) results in noticeable weakening of the neoprene, but little fading. I keep telling them to rinse afterwards, but....<<< And Mike <michaeldaly_at_home.com> commented further: >>> I wonder if the use (rolling, rescue etc) leads to more abuse than regular paddling. This also may reflect the difference in the chemicals (type and concentration) used in the pools. I have two nominally identical skirts, one of which I use in the pool, the other only on fresh water (Both Trailhead logo, made by Brooks). I do rinse the pool one most of the time. The fresh water skirt is two years newer than the pool skirt. There is only a slight difference in fading (leading to the assumption that the sun accounts for most of it) and no difference in the integrity of the neoprene. <<< *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Correction: earlier I wrote > neoprene is not a single chemical entity, but is > rather a generic designation for a natural rubber made of > polychloroprene..... I really meant to say that neoprene is a *synthetic* rubber Erik *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
A while back there was a request for info on this topic. The June 2001 issue of Sea Kayaker has an article reviewing 7 kids' kayaks. There's another article on building a child's Greenland Kayak (with outriggers). There's a really neat photo of a 4 year old in his cutesy yak. sandy kramer miami *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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