Re: [Paddlewise] Granta Folding boats

From: ralph diaz <rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 00:30:21 -0500
Matt Broze wrote:
> GRANTA BOATS LTD:(all wood frame, canvas deck)   29 Great Whyte, Ramsey,
> Huntington, Cambs PE17 1EZ,  England    0487-813777 (Sold to
Ottersports)(in
> 78 Canoe Magazine's Buyer's Guide address listed is: 23 Great
> White)(Canadian address:W. Royalty Ind. Park, Charlottetown, P.I.E. C1E
1B0)
>
> You didn't give its dimensions but it is likely to be one of these models
or
> a predecessor.

I really am not up on the Granta folding kayaks as the make died long before
I came on the paddling scene.  (They also made kit boats.)  Britain had a
meaningful folding kayak industry prior to WW II.  These boats were used by
the Special Boat Service clandestine operators in various missions against
the Germans and the Japanese.  It started life under the name Special
Folboat service but that name was changed as it gave away too much of what
it was all about.  The Germans for some reason did not want to export
Kleppers to the British during the war and so local folding kayaks were
used.

> Alan Byde says in ASKC#64 Nov 87 (Anglesey Sea Kayak Club Newsletter--I
> think, not sure of the spelling) that they were originally "Folbot", and
> that in 1932 Fridel Meyer of Germany paddled a Folbot from Bravaria to
> London.

She also won some race against all comers circumnavigating Great Britain or
most of a circumnavigation anyway.

>
> FOLBOT FOLDING BOATS LTD:(1933)  21 Hatfield St., London EC, England
> (Spr98C&KHA#25--built Folboat folding "canoes" and Kingfisher rigid
"canoes"
> in the 1930's)(I suspect this company is somehow connected to Folbot Inc.
> (see below) but don't no how. Maybe one of the Folding kayak gurus named
> Ralph on this list can straighten me out about the origins or why the
names
> are similar.

The other Ralph (Hoehn) probably is better plugged in since he reads German
better than I do and most folding kayak literature is in that tongue.
Perhaps he has the answer to why the Gerrmans would not export Kleppers to
the Brits during the war.

>
> FOLBOT INC:Phil Cotton (1933)(only folding kayaks--kits are now at Bryant
B.
> W.)   4209 Pace. St., Charlestown, SC  29405 (was?also? P.O.Box 70877,
Stark
> Ind. Park, Charlestown, SC  29415)(12/95SKad-(800)533-5099,
> 12/95SK-(800)528-9592, 99-01CBG-(843)744-3483, fax:(803)744-7783,
> 98rec.boats FAQ--(800)744-3483  folbot1_at_aol.com   www.folbot.com

Same company.  It was started by Jack Kissner, a German who I believe had
worked at the Klepper factory and moved to London in the early 1930s to
found the Folboat Company.  I have a catalog or pages from one from around
1934, I think (I would have to check my archives).  The company moved to New
York City around 1938.  It moved to Charleston, South Carolina in the 1950s.
Kissner ran the company all that time until his death in the early 1980s.
He was eccentric but then, again, most of us folding kayakers are.  You
havta be with our boats!

ralph
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