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From: <MJAkayaker_at_aol.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Pinta / Tatoosh Info
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:51:11 EST
I have a friend who is getting ready to buy his first kayak.  He is 250+ lbs 
so there are not a lot of kayaks out there to fit him.  He has narrowed his 
choices to the Necky Pinta and the Easy-Rider Tatoosh (sp).  He is leaning 
toward the Pinta since he can demo one at a dealer (410 mile round trip).  I 
am totally unfamiliar with either of these models.  He would appreciate any 
information anyone might have that would help him make his decision.

Mark J. Arnold 

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From: Wes Boyd <boydwe_at_dmci.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Pinta / Tatoosh Info
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 21:56:20
At 08:51 PM 2/24/01 EST, MJAkayaker_at_aol.com wrote:
>I have a friend who is getting ready to buy his first kayak.  He is 250+ lbs 
>so there are not a lot of kayaks out there to fit him.  He has narrowed his 
>choices to the Necky Pinta and the Easy-Rider Tatoosh (sp).  He is leaning 
>toward the Pinta since he can demo one at a dealer (410 mile round trip).  I 
>am totally unfamiliar with either of these models.  He would appreciate any 
>information anyone might have that would help him make his decision.

First, I'd suggest looking some more. The selection of boats for people his
size, and larger, (300+) like me, isn't large, but there are others out
there. Have him take a look at my boats for big guys and gals site -- URL
is below. 

If he's only 250 lbs., the Pinta will probably be on the big side for him
-- maybe even pushing way too big. I don't know much about the EasyRider,
but they do have a reputation for uneven quality control, and some say that
their rudder system really intrudes on foot room.  

-- Wes
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From: Kirby Stevens <stevens_at_islandnet.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Pinta / Tatoosh Info
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 21:12:22 -0800
Has he ever tried the HV GT from Current designs or the HV Telkwa from Rainforest designs, etc.    There are lots of different boats out there.    Check them out.

KS.

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From:	Wes Boyd [SMTP:boydwe_at_dmci.net]
Sent:	Saturday, February 24, 2001 1:56 PM
To:	MJAkayaker_at_aol.com; Paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net
Subject:	Re: [Paddlewise] Pinta / Tatoosh Info

At 08:51 PM 2/24/01 EST, MJAkayaker_at_aol.com wrote:
>I have a friend who is getting ready to buy his first kayak.  He is 250+ lbs 
>so there are not a lot of kayaks out there to fit him.  He has narrowed his 
>choices to the Necky Pinta and the Easy-Rider Tatoosh (sp).  He is leaning 
>toward the Pinta since he can demo one at a dealer (410 mile round trip).  I 
>am totally unfamiliar with either of these models.  He would appreciate any 
>information anyone might have that would help him make his decision.

First, I'd suggest looking some more. The selection of boats for people his
size, and larger, (300+) like me, isn't large, but there are others out
there. Have him take a look at my boats for big guys and gals site -- URL
is below. 

If he's only 250 lbs., the Pinta will probably be on the big side for him
-- maybe even pushing way too big. I don't know much about the EasyRider,
but they do have a reputation for uneven quality control, and some say that
their rudder system really intrudes on foot room.  

-- Wes
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From: Kevin Stevens <Kevin_Stevens_at_bigfoot.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Pinta / Tatoosh Info
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 01:19:52 -0800
I can give some info on the Pinta...

Even for someone of his size, it may be too big.  I am about the same, and my
problem with most kayaks is not the cockpit or the seat per se, but those
damned built-in thigh braces.  Instead of offering a place to brace, they
actually pin my whole leg flat.

The Pinta is big enough that it's braces don't do that very badly, but the
result is that I rattle around in the cockpit enough (since the whole cockpit
is on the same scale) that it's a pretty loose fit.  The real solution is to
get a smaller boat and cut the damned braces out of it, which allows me to
brace on the underside of the coaming the way God intended it.  Unfortunately,
that makes it really hard to test out boats.

Apart from all this, I paddled a Pinta for two days and quite enjoyed it.
However, it it quite enormous, and without being loaded down is sensitive to
weathercocking and a bitch to do re-entry with because the freeboard is so
high.

FWIW, the Cape Horn fits me VERY well, for no good reason that I can
determine.  He may want to check it out as well.

KeS

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From: <MJAkayaker_at_aol.com>
To: <Paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 17:51
Subject: [Paddlewise] Pinta / Tatoosh Info


> I have a friend who is getting ready to buy his first kayak.  He is 250+ lbs
> so there are not a lot of kayaks out there to fit him.  He has narrowed his
> choices to the Necky Pinta and the Easy-Rider Tatoosh (sp).  He is leaning
> toward the Pinta since he can demo one at a dealer (410 mile round trip).  I
> am totally unfamiliar with either of these models.  He would appreciate any
> information anyone might have that would help him make his decision.
>
> Mark J. Arnold
>
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From: <SeaKayakNH_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Pinta / Tatoosh Info
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 09:12:53 EST
In a message dated 2/25/01 2:01:32 AM, MJAkayaker_at_aol.com writes:

<< I have a friend who is getting ready to buy his first kayak.  He is 250+ 
lbs 
so there are not a lot of kayaks out there to fit him. >>

Hi Mark,

    As Wes, Kirby and Kevin have said, there are a lot of choices out there 
for the 250#'ers,  but there's a big difference between the needs of someone 
who weighs 250# and is 6'2" tall and another paddler who is 5'6" tall at that 
same weight. Certainly the average kayak is built for a lighter paddler, but 
that same kayak is also designed to carry another 150# of gear as well.  My 
240#, 6'1" frame fits nicely into many boats that are advertised for paddlers 
that weigh 180# or less, and no I don't carry a shoe horn to stuff myself in 
to the boats, I just don't need to pad out the smaller boats as much. Most 
full-sized boats are much to big for me and feel like barges on the water.

    So my suggestion is the same as for any paddler, find a boat that feels 
basically comfortable without paddling and then chose one with stability / 
performance that matches your friend's intended use. Paddler weight is not as 
large a limiting factor as many people believe. Many boats designed for 
"large" paddlers are just too big for any kind of aggressive paddling but are 
fine for calmer, more mellow paddling. High Volume almost always equates to 
high windage and / or increased stability. Take a look at the boats the 
Greenlanders use for rolling, many are nearly awash in conditions and so are 
not affected by winds very much at all.

Jed
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