In a message dated 2/1/01 6:38:38 AM, sprenne_at_netnitco.net writes: << The terminology doesn't really matter - getting upright does. >> Agreed! I don't mean to sound like I'm disagreeing with you, I just have slightly different definitions. It might just be a regional thing. The particular terminology used is not at all important for the student, but it is a convenient way for the instructor(s) to describe one style versus another. I just reread your post and I am certain that we agree on much more than we disagree on, we just use different language to describe our beliefs The actual names of the roll are not important, but I believe the ability to recognize one style from another is important to someone who is teaching and/or trying to strengthen a weak roll. This also becomes important to advanced rollers that want to explore other styles as they work towards mastery of the roll in all it's many forms. The following are not full definitions, but rather point out some of the differences between various styles of rolling as I understand them. These are some of the things I look for to help me better understand what the student is doing as I guide them to my favorite "C to C" / "Screw Roll" hybrid. C to C roll - The sweep phase of the roll does not generate lift, the hip-snap is performed vigorously when the paddle is perpendicular to the boat. Sweep/Brace roll - The sweep phase of the roll is uses to generate lift, the hip-snap is performed vigorously when the paddle is perpendicular to the boat. Screw Roll - The sweep phase of the roll is used to generate lift, the hip-snap is started as the blade starts to "bite" and is complete by the time the paddle is perpendicular to the boat. Layback - the paddle makes a nearly complete arc from bow to stern as the boat is righted while the body moves from a leaned forward position to a laid-back position. Minimal hip-rotation required. No doubt others on the list will have different definitions and other things that they look for to help define one style of roll versus another. I don't even tell my students which roll I'm teaching because once they have a good roll, the various styles become minor variations of the one single theme. What is important is what all of these styles (except the layback) have in common, specifically the starting position, the hip-snap and the ending position. Once you have good strong execution of these three common traits all the other stuff becomes a matter of personal preference with most real life rolls being a hybrid of two or more of the various styles. Jed *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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