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From: Christian <rebel_at_snip.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] Roll Down RacK System
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 23:31:30 -0500
Hi All,
  I have come to rely heavily on this groups advice and with good reason. I
have always received quick and informative answers. So, once again I turn to
you for help.
  I am looking for a rack system to fit on a car or truck that you can pull
down and fasten your kayak to, then roll back on to your vehicle. My friend
saw this in a magazine once(possibly Canoe & Kayak), and was looking for one
for his wife who is unable to lift their boat on top of their car.
I appreciate any help you can give us.
               A Pine Barrens Kayaker


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From: Wes Boyd <boydwe_at_dmci.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Roll Down RacK System
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 08:46:57
At 11:31 PM 2/7/01 -0500, Christian wrote:
>  I am looking for a rack system to fit on a car or truck that you can pull
>down and fasten your kayak to, then roll back on to your vehicle. My friend
>saw this in a magazine once(possibly Canoe & Kayak), and was looking for one
>for his wife who is unable to lift their boat on top of their car.

A friend of mine has a similar problem -- having to carry his boat on the
top of a 4WD pickup with a cap, much to high to reach. He's built a rack
out of 2x4s bolted to the top of the cap. A second rack, also built of
2x4s, slides into this rack, and holds the boat. Once in place, he fastens
the moveable rack to the fixed rack with spring pins. I don't know if I
have a photo of this rig, but can come up with a better description if you
need it.

-- Wes
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From: ralph diaz <rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Roll Down RacK System
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 10:04:36 -0500
: "Christian" <rebel_at_snip.net> wrote:

>   I am looking for a rack system to fit on a car or truck that you can
pull
> down and fasten your kayak to, then roll back on to your vehicle. My
friend
> saw this in a magazine once(possibly Canoe & Kayak), and was looking for
one
> for his wife who is unable to lift their boat on top of their car.
> I appreciate any help you can give us.
>                A Pine Barrens Kayaker

You are thinking of the EZtop carrier that is both a roof rack and a cart.
When I was at the Jersey Paddler's Paddlesport show last year, I was hanging
around mostly with Feathercraft and the EZtop boat was right behind it.  So
I did see countless demos of how easy it works as a rack as a cart and
inbetween, i.e. how the boat goes on to the roof.  It works almost
effortlessly.  In looking at the live demos going on at the next booth, I
was reminded of the demos on television eons ago in which Bernadette Castro,
at about 8 years of age, would demonstrate that even a child could pull out
the bed in a Castro Convertible sofa.  She now heads up the NY State parks
department, which has a fancier name than that.

It is a costly device, in the $400 range, but will meet your needs
perfectly.  Go to their website, http://www.goeztop.com which starts off
with a movie demonstrating it and then into all sorts of details about the
product, accessories etc.

best,

ralph diaz
not a Pine Barrens paddler
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From: Courtney <sudnlycord_at_excite.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Roll Down RacK System
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 07:28:13 -0800 (PST)
Yakima I think has an extender bar you can fit on one side of one roof rack.
You extend the bar out, lift one end of the kayak up onto the bar (so the
kayak is leaning diagonally, one end against the bar, one end against the
ground), lift the other end up onto the car, then slide the extender bar in,
which puts the other end of the kayak on the car. It's really easy and I
think a much cheaper solution that a roll-up system. If you email me, I can
direct you to someone who uses this.

Courtney

On Thu, 8 Feb 2001 10:04:36 -0500, ralph diaz wrote:

  : "Christian" <rebel_at_snip.net> wrote:
  
I am looking for a rack system to fit on a car or truck that you can pull
down and fasten your kayak to, then roll back on to your vehicle. My friend
saw this in a magazine once(possibly Canoe & Kayak), and was looking for one
for his wife who is unable to lift their boat on top of their car.
  > I appreciate any help you can give us.





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From: Wayne <wrf_at_hypatia.unh.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Roll Down RacK System
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:34:29 -0500
Date sent:      	Thu, 8 Feb 2001 07:28:13 -0800 (PST)
From:           	Courtney <sudnlycord_at_excite.com>
To:             	Christian <rebel_at_snip.net>, PaddleWise_at_paddlewise.net
Subject:        	Re: [Paddlewise] Roll Down RacK System

> Yakima I think has an extender bar you can fit on one side of one roof rack.
> You extend the bar out, lift one end of the kayak up onto the bar (so the
> kayak is leaning diagonally, one end against the bar, one end against the
> ground), lift the other end up onto the car, then slide the extender bar in,
> which puts the other end of the kayak on the car.

Thule has a sidebar system. I use such a system and am pretty satisfied with it.  I use 
a towel to cover the bar to make sliding the kayak forward onto the bar easier.  You 
can either lift the front end of the kayak onto the bar, pick up the stern, slide it forward 
and place it into the rack holders- then do the same for the front end; or just lift the 
whole boat bow first onto the bar then push the boat forward onto the bar till it is past 
the balance point and lift onto the rack holders as described above.  Since I do most of 
my kayaking by myself it is a real boon to getting the boat onto and off the car.  I am 
sure the Hully rollers work well also.
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From: Bob Denton <BDenton_at_aquagulf.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Roll Down RacK System
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 08:34:08 -0500
Actually, a Yakima Hully Roller is lighter, easier and cheaper that the
other system you are thinking of.

You simply lean the boat on the back of your car or van, pick up the stern
end and the bow will drop onto the rollers. Then just slide..

cu
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From: rskelley <rskelley_at_fastlane.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Roll Down RacK System
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 09:27:52 -0600
(Hope I am making this response correctly.)

In response to a query on how to get a "roll up" rig, I will offer this suggestion.  It worked very nicely with my 14' Laser
sailboat, a far greater weight than a light kayak.

I got a 16' telescoping lightest weight aluminum ladder, took it apart and bolted it together to make it about 15' long.  I
drilled one end and inserted a smooth round steel bar  through both edges of the ladder and mounted some wheels (about 6" dia) on
the shaft.  I made a simple support for the hull (two places) and mounted them to the ladder rails.  This gives a version of a
wheel barrow that is outfitted to carry a boat.  One can easily move the rig to and from the water this way too.

I lashed the boat to the ladder (I used my favorite binding material, heavy shock cord) and then was able to move the rig around
wheel barrow fashion.  When I wanted to get it on the roof rack, I lifted one end (half the total weight) and put it on the rack,
then lifted the other half and slid the rig into place.  It comes off the roof rack in the opposite sequence.

I made life a bit easier by lashing a 1" dia steel pipe between the roof rack beams (perpendicular to the beams and aligned with
the edge of the car).  I was then able to do the initial lifting at right angles to the car, and was able to get the first end on
the rack beams very easily.  I was using the Quick-n-Easy clamps with 2x4 wooden beams as the roof rack and these worked great
too.

Hope this helps.  Worked great on my Laser.

Ralph Kelley

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> ity of Canterbury
> New Zealand
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 23:31:30 -0500
> From: "Christian" <rebel_at_snip.net>
> Subject: [Paddlewise] Roll Down RacK System
>
> Hi All,
>   I have come to rely heavily on this groups advice and with good reason. I
> have always received quick and informative answers. So, once again I turn to
> you for help.
>   I am looking for a rack system to fit on a car or truck that you can pull
> down and fasten your kayak to, then roll back on to your vehicle. My friend
> saw this in a magazine once(possibly Canoe & Kayak), and was looking for one
> for his wife who is unable to lift their boat on top of their car.
> I appreciate any help you can give us.
>                A Pine Barrens Kayaker


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From: Wes Boyd <boydwe_at_dmci.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Roll Down RacK System
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 08:46:57
At 11:31 PM 2/7/01 -0500, Christian wrote:
>  I am looking for a rack system to fit on a car or truck that you can pull
>down and fasten your kayak to, then roll back on to your vehicle. My friend
>saw this in a magazine once(possibly Canoe & Kayak), and was looking for one
>for his wife who is unable to lift their boat on top of their car.

A friend of mine has a similar problem -- having to carry his boat on the
top of a 4WD pickup with a cap, much to high to reach. He's built a rack
out of 2x4s bolted to the top of the cap. A second rack, also built of
2x4s, slides into this rack, and holds the boat. Once in place, he fastens
the moveable rack to the fixed rack with spring pins. I don't know if I
have a photo of this rig, but can come up with a better description if you
need it.

-- Wes

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