Re: [Paddlewise] 5 rolls is not enough

The phenomonen of not going all the way down or floating part way up while
wearing a dry suit is fairly common. The first time it happened to me I was
really surprised, but found that I could do a sort of "reverse hip snap" and
push myself back down so that I can get set up properly. I'm not really sure
exactly what it is I do but it involves hip movement, much like you use
coming up.

Roger


----- Original Message -----
From: SNStone <SNStone_at_email.msn.com>
To: Blaauw, Niels <nblaauw_at_foxboro.com>; <PaddleWise_at_paddlewise.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 8:47 AM
Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] 5 rolls is not enough


> True, it is difficult to emulate varying conditions in a pool. However,
you
> can practice with a dry suit in a pool. I have a friend who will practice
> with various types of gloves in a pool. I started doing this last winter
> since things feel different with gloves on. Although the combination of
dry
> suit, pfd and gloves in a pool cannot fully replicate the same in the sea,
I
> do believe you will get a better feel for executing a roll with all your
> equipment on.
>
> I would also like to second Bob Volin's recommendation to spend time
getting
> set up. I have also been spending time  this winter getting myself to
relax
> with head under water to get set up before starting the roll.
>
> good luck,
> sid
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net
> [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net]On Behalf Of Blaauw, Niels
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 1:42 AM
> To: PaddleWise_at_paddlewise.net
> Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] 5 rolls is not enough
>
>
> Sid wrote: "The issue is not the number of rolls, but the ability to
execute
> a roll in
> varying conditions."
>
> I agree that the best practice for a roll is trying it in varying
> conditions, which is exactly what I was doing when I tried a roll at sea,
in
> full outfit. However, in the pool there are only so many conditions you
can
> create: No waves, no wind, no salt. That's why I opted for a different
> approach: to learn as many rolls as possible. In the end you find out that
> each of those rolls is not a trick that you perform like a robot, but that
> all the seperate moves from all the different rolls form a pool of moves
> that you can choose from at will. It's kind of like sitting on a floor and
> getting up: Each one of us has a hundred ways to do that. We all do it
> different, we all do it different each time. We don't think about how to
do
> it, we just select a few moves from a library of thousands of moves,
> according to the floor we are sitting on, avoiding any aching muscles,
> headaches or obstacles and at the same time acting out our general feeling
> of the moment. That's what I wanted to reach in my rolling techniques: A
> complete freedom of movement under water. It worked for me: In my story,
and
> last summer in many other occasions, I DID roll. Next time in the pool I
> should practice my wet exit, since I haven't made one in the last year.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SNStone [mailto:SNStone_at_email.msn.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 12:21 AM
> To: Blaauw, Niels; PaddleWise_at_paddlewise.net
> Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] 5 rolls is not enough
>
>
> The issue is not the number of rolls, but the ability to execute a roll in
> varying conditions. You learned and practiced in one environment and then
> put it to the test in another environment. Rather than learning another
roll
> I woudl focus on practicing in more difficult conditions wearing the
> equipment you would use in a real paddling situation.  You must  also have
> one roll that you are totally confident will work.  I initially learned to
> roll using an extended paddle (pawlatta) roll. I periodically practice it
as
> I know I can get back up. It's my  insurance policy.
>
> When it comes to rolling, quality over quantity.
>
> sid
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net
> [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net]On Behalf Of Blaauw, Niels
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 6:18 AM
> To: PaddleWise_at_paddlewise.net
> Subject: [Paddlewise] 5 rolls is not enough
>
>
> First: Thanks for all the information on hull speed. Whenever I meet a
> kayakker with sensors on his hull and paddle, a laptop on his sprayskirt
> connected to various parts of his body and breathing through a machine on
> his deck, I know I am not watching someone who escaped the hospital and
took
> his mechanic lungs with him. I just met someone trying out a new kayak.
Just
> remember that your normal roll might be a problem with all this equipment.
> Seriously: I got data on my own boat and a lot of improvements on my test
> ideas. Thanks.
>
> Something else:
>
> Last winter I managed to teach myself the sweep roll, C-to-C, screw-roll,
> dry-sigarette-roll, broken-paddle-roll and handroll, all on both sides of
> the boat, all with a dry and a swamped boat, all with and without a PFD.
> Sounds solid, doesn't it? So on my first trip at sea, I decided to cool my
> head with my most solid roll on my most solid side... I managed, but it
was
> a close call. What happened? I lined my paddle on the left side of my
boat,
> rolled, but didn't manage to make the first half, due to the combined
> flotation of my drytop and PFD in the salt water. No problem, I thought, I
> will roll on the other side. I brought the paddle to that side (right
side),
> but that gave enough force to push my body under water and to the left
side
> of the boat. Deadlock! In the end, by moving very slow and carefully, I
> managed to get my body and paddle on the same side of the boat and perform
> the roll. By then my companions had noticed I had some trouble and were
> preparing an eskimo-rescue. I felt the bow of one of their boats go
through
> my hair when I finally rolled up.
> Weeks later I concluded that the only way out of this problem is a
sculling
> roll, that you can start in any position, upside down or laying on any
side.
> By now I added this roll to my repertoire.
>
> What surprises me is that very few people around me have mastered the
> sculling roll and nobody regards it as an important technique. Do they
have
> non-floating PFD's, bricks in their head, just not a clue, or some other
> solution?
>
>
>
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