Doug Lloyd waxed: >That's why I wish the Aussies would get off their high-horse about their >re-enter-and-roll-don't-pump-just-paddle pedestal. North American >kayaks, many anyway, just have too much volume to do that easily, and >the amount of water scooped up is incredible. That's a regional >difference perhaps, let alone the multitude of differences associated >with individual preferences for dealing with an emergency. I posted to P~wise last week in response to PeterO's interest in what to do to minimise water in boat after re-enter rolling. I've never been mistaken for an Aussie before, flattered I must say ..... I'm lurking around 57º19'N 2º10'W (that's latitude and longitude BTW ;-)) I didn't think I was on a high-horse particularly, just musing that if you are already practicing re-enter rolling skills, its maybe worth investigating the limitations and possibilities if the need arises to paddle a boat with water in it .... if you end up out of your boat in the wrong place for whatever reason - maybe an event like an unexpected wave, bad timing, rock garden play etc etc - then being able to get back in and paddle somewhere else ASAP is no bad thing. The quickest solo way to do that in my ever so humble opinion is to re-enter roll and paddle away somewhere more desirable. Clearly there are regional differences in boats ... and attitudes. Sharing them is valuable, and often highly entertaining. Paddling a boat for example modified with gadgets, extra hatch covers, paddle securing straps and cleats to the tune of an 85lbs knordkapp ....(stripped down!) is a choice few sea paddlers around these parts would voluntarily choose to make .... an 85lbs knordkapp .... tee hee hee ... paddling with superfluous weight like that you might find you need a rescue or two.... eh Doug? ;-) Cheers Colin 57º19'N 2º10'W *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Colin Calder wrote: > Doug Lloyd waxed: > > >That's why I wish the Aussies would get off their high-horse about their > >re-enter-and-roll-don't-pump-just-paddle pedestal. North American > >kayaks, many anyway, just have too much volume to do that easily, and > >the amount of water scooped up is incredible. That's a regional > >difference perhaps, let alone the multitude of differences associated > >with individual preferences for dealing with an emergency. > > I posted to P~wise last week in response to PeterO's interest in what to do > to minimise water in boat after re-enter rolling. I've never been mistaken > for an Aussie before, flattered I must say ..... I'm lurking around 57º19'N > 2º10'W (that's latitude and longitude BTW ;-)) Colin, I wasn't thinking of your comments at all, but more with view strongly expressed from other sectors and not neccessarily on PW.. > > > I didn't think I was on a high-horse particularly, just musing that if you > are already practicing re-enter rolling skills, its maybe worth > investigating the limitations and possibilities if the need arises to paddle > a boat with water in it .... if you end up out of your boat in the wrong > place for whatever reason - maybe an event like an unexpected wave, bad > timing, rock garden play etc etc - then being able to get back in and paddle > somewhere else ASAP is no bad thing. The quickest solo way to do that in my > ever so humble opinion is to re-enter roll and paddle away somewhere more > desirable. Absolutely. That's my philosophy. > > > Clearly there are regional differences in boats ... and attitudes. Sharing > them is valuable, and often highly entertaining. Paddling a boat for example > modified with gadgets, extra hatch covers, paddle securing straps and cleats > to the tune of an 85lbs knordkapp ....(stripped down!) is a choice few sea > paddlers around these parts would voluntarily choose to make .... an 85lbs > knordkapp .... tee hee hee ... paddling with superfluous weight like that > you might find you need a rescue or two.... eh Doug? ;-) Tee hee is right. Actually, on this point of weight, is a boat 25# more than the average Brit heavy, that much of a liability? Especially once you are loaded up for a trip? What does a Romany weigh, BTW? Anybody know. Also Colin, you can poke fun at me all you like (I know it is in good jest). I may whine a bit on PW if I get ribbed, but ultimately, I've always been a person who does the hell what they want to in the end, and doesn't worry what everyone else is thinking. Good paddling, fine sir. Doug *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Colin, et al: A couple more thoughts on this boat weight thing. I have mentioned to the list before that if many of the additions and improvements made to my Nordkapp were part of the original layup, then the weight would be significantly less. Repairs necessitate the addition of extra weight too, due to the need to broaden the fixed portion by feathering out the repair (or addition for that matter). Ideally, I'd take a mold of my "new and improved" 'Kapp, and then lay up a much lighter version. I was curious about the Romany weight, as a friend once bought an earlier one that came in around 75#. That's probably what mine would weigh with the reinforcements, but no structual/functional additions. Anyway, I was curious enough today to phone Chris Duff. He is coming over to Victoria March 23 for a slide show, "on maori tides" (tickets going fast at Ocean River Sports). I couldn't wait that long to talk to him. He was at home, working on his new book about the New Zealand adventure. I had secretly hoped he wouldn't be home, rather paddling out in the big blow we had today, but alas, like me, he was behind a PC (Chris lives just across the pond from me). I had a few questions for him. I asked him about he boat breaking "in half" (as exaggerated by some folks in Victoria). Chris said a few folks said he should have taken a plastic boat. Chris doesn't like the performance of plastic boats, and feels no glass boat could have survived the pounding his took, as multiple dumping surf pounded at it. The skegless boat was 56#, but about 65# after the repairs. There's that weight gain. Chris also did miss a rudder or skeg on a number of occasions, but still felt the extra storage and lack of complications was well worth it. He wore his personal boat-to-paddler tether whenever conditions blew over twenty knots. He loved the Romany, as he could paddle it for eight hours comfortably, then jump out of it and still walk up the beach (unlike with a Nordkapp, which is a bit cramped). He also said the Romany surfed like a dream, compared to a Nordkapp. And he had lots of surf. He wryly mentioned the fact that this trip defined certain limitations for him. I'll let him explain that further at the slide show and in his book. This Romany sound like an interesting boat for the right driver. Take care Colin. I'm off to watch a video, "The Incredible Lightness of Being". DL *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
DL - >phone Chris Duff. He is coming over to Victoria March 23 for a >slide show, "on Maori tides" (tickets going fast at Ocean River Sports). I >couldn't wait that long to talk to him. > >He was at home, working on his new book about the New Zealand adventure. > I had a few questions for him. I asked him about he boat breaking "in >half" (as exaggerated by some folks in Victoria). Chris said a few folks >said he >should have taken a plastic boat. Chris doesn't like the performance of >plastic >boats, We had at our national forum last weekend, the latest paddler to attempt a circumnavigation of the South Island (Chris spoke to us at our previous year's forum). He pulled out for this year a little before the halfway point after "problems". He was hit by 100+ kph winds, breaking 4 metre swells just at the end of a stretch of cliffs and in the end swam ashore. At one point the kayak turned bow towards the cliffs and surfed in - one bent kayak. Actually it was still paddleable or looks that way though about 4 feet of the front is quite wrinkled and though I didn't look inside, starting to delaminate (multilayer lightweight). He's getting another hull given to him to finish the trip next year. Work, holidays available and time of year have dictated that. The kayak, a plastic Quality Kayaks Penguin, 4.88 metres, lightweight version. >Chris also did miss a rudder or skeg on a number of occasions, As with all New Zealand produced kayaks, a rudder is a standard fitting. >And he had lots of surf. If Chris had surf, this year appears to have been worse with the resulting weeks of head winds down the east coast. Alex . . Alex (Sandy) Ferguson Chemistry Department University of Canterbury New Zealand *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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