Here's a question for you experts. For paddling in water at a temp range of 40-55F. Bay condtions, with-in 500 yards of settled land. With a budget of $350. What items of clothing would you buy? Richard Smith *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> For paddling in water at a temp range of 40-55F. Bay condtions, with-in 500 > yards of settled land. With a budget of $350. What items of clothing would > you buy? > A Kokatat drysuit, which can be had for about that. Not Goretex, but it would work fine. --And you can layer under it for different thermal conditions. There's an informal rule around coastal NJ. --Called the 50/50 rule. If the water temps are 50 or below, you have a 50/50 chance of surviving if you're more than 50 yards from shore. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> >For paddling in water at a temp range of 40-55F. Bay condtions, with-in 500 >yards of settled land. With a budget of $350. What items of clothing would >you buy? > >I would buy: New Tevas, a sun hat and a round trip ticket to any island in the Caribbean Hal "Power your boat with carbohydrates not hydrocarbons" Wilton, NH http://www.jlc.net/~hlevin *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I swear by (not at) my Mysterioso-wear. I've found it to be an economical, very warm layering tool when used with a wetsuit, paddling jacket, hetcetra. YMMV. .ashton On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, Christine Allison wrote: [snipped] > For paddling in water at a temp range of 40-55F. Bay condtions, with-in 500 > yards of settled land. With a budget of $350. What items of clothing would > you buy? -ashton *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
"Here's a question for you experts. For paddling in water at a temp range of 40-55F. Bay condtions, with-in 500 yards of settled land. With a budget of $350. What items of clothing would you buy?" I don't hold myself out as an expert, and I would first make sure I had a spare paddle and the proverbial bomb-proof roll. I would also not impose a dollar limit on cold water safety protection. But for what it's worth: I have a tuiliq sized to my body and my kayak cockpit. Mine is from Superior Kayaks (no affiliation; under $200), made out of gortex, and I have done repeated rolls and surfing with little leakage in water temps like the ones mentioned. I kayak in fresh water (Lakes Michigan and Huron). The Superior Kayak and the Brooks "wetsuit" version were reviewed in Sea Kayaker over a year ago. For the lower temperature range, factoring in waves, wind, and air, you might consider insulating layers for hands (under the pogies), torso, and cranium (latter could be little more than old fashioned swimming cap). Duct tape gives additional seam integrity between pogies and tuiliq, and what with the cool silver bands around the royal blue sleeves, I am sure the GQ photo-op is just around the corner. Tom Joyce ------------------------------------------ The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, any further disclosure or use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message or any attachment is strictly prohibited. If you think that you have received this e-mail message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Rich, The debate is dry vs wet suit. I personally have both, but I own a paddleshop/ kayak school. ;-) Kokatat Swift drysuit $320 Thrift store fleece set $10 booties, gloves, hat? or Farmer John wetsuit about $130 latex gasketed paddle jac about $150 thrift store fleece top $5 booties, gloves, hat? I find GREAT fleece and an occasional wetsuit at the neighborhood thrift stores. Latest find was a PatagoniaŽ lightweight synchilla snap-t XL like new $3.00. Steve <wearing my new snap-T> aldercreek.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
If you have a dive tour or instruction shop nearby, check to see if they have any used rental/issue neoprene gear for sale. I still get some use out of a 6mm thick Farmer John, which I bought at least 4 years ago for $50. At the time, its major flaw was that someone had apparently leaned against an unshielded exhaust stack until they felt the heat, producing a scorch about the size of my palm on one side, with a hole smaller than a dime on the lower thigh. That area fits snugly, so little extra flushing occurs through the hole. The 6 mm neoprene is a little less comfortable then 3 mm, but not much, and clearly warmer (in the water--difference may be less obvious when dry). Presumably this suit, with jacket and hood of course, was used many times for SCUBA in 50 degree water before I bought it. The extra thickness, under a equally thick sprayskirt tunnel and other gear, does stiffen the waist enough to affect my rolling a little, but otherwise I have no complaints. With this I usually use a semi-dry top (double waist, latex wrists, neoprene velcro neck since latex necks make me gag, about $140); Coolmax or other polyester or polypro long sleeve T-shirt and long johns ($10-20 each) under FJ; old wool sweater or fleece jacket over FJ, unless air is warm (free, everyone already has this, I trust); booties ($25-30); gloves ($10-20) or pogies; and fuzzy-rubber beanie or hood (about $25, and worth its weight in gold in sudden immersion IF you are WEARING it!). If you have to choose between the booties and the hat, I'd take the hat. I've never had a severe swim. My longest swim in this get-up was about 3 minutes (after 3 missed roll attempts) in surf at La Push, Washington coast, in January 1999. Water temp. ?, presumably no more than 50 degrees, overcast, light wind, air also about 50 degrees). I reached the beach embarrassed but comfortable, and remained so while standing around on the sand for 10-15 minutes chatting, and trying to look casual. Also had a short swim about a year earlier in my first, abortive attempt at a class III river. Less than one minute, but cool air and high on a snow-melt river in early or late winter, water temp probably 39-40 degrees. Again got out feeling fine, but decided that the car was the best route to the takeout until my rolling was more solid. This outfit is not pretty, but it is rather effective, fairly resistant to abuse, and has the advantage over an uncoated dry-suit that when the air is warm and calm, you can put away the dry top and paddle in reasonable comfort, while retaining a fairly decent level of immersion resistance. If you are solo paddling in 40 degree water, I would plan on attracting lots of attention at the start of a swim. Carry several of those small smoke grenades in your PFD pockets as well as your flares. The smokers should be more effective unless the wind is howling, since they last much longer. I suppose the swim scenario assumes enough wind to blow the boat away, but they're worth a try anyway. I would light a smoker, fire a flare, swim a minute, repeat, until out of signals. Obviously, you should practice wet-exits and re-entry right by the beach WITH a helper at hand, before you trust any of this gear. Mike Wagenbach Seattle "Watch out, those monkeys bite!" --- Christine Allison <sailnut_at_asan.com> wrote: > Here's a question for you experts. > > For paddling in water at a temp range of 40-55F. Bay condtions, > with-in 500 > yards of settled land. With a budget of $350. What items of clothing > would > you buy? > > Richard Smith > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Like the tarp I made a bunch of my own clothing. I have a great pair of stretch pants made from Polartech 2000 (think it has a new name now) from Seattle Fabrics. They have the patterns too. The one I used for those is only maybe two pieces! Andree http://www.onwatersports.com/KIX/ Viewit.com - Website Design, Hosting, Maintenance, E-commerce http://www.viewit.com/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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