Marvin asked: <snip> Q. Paddle tethers.... Are they good or bad? A. Worse. They are evil. But, an often necessary one. Q. Do you consider them essential? A. I do, some don't. They are not essential all the time. For open water paddling a few tethers can sure be an asset. I use them for convenience, and as a backup -- two seperate issues. For a re-enter and roll, or many self-rescues, including helping others, a tether sure can be a big help keeping track of your paddle. I would say however, learn to wet exit properly, coming up with boat and paddle in contact with you. Practice this skill to perfection. Then keep a boat-to-person tether as a back-up. No one has as many encumbrances on their boat as me (some smarty pants even called it a "ship" :-) ), but the extras and tethers to me are all backups to good skills, techniques, and proper avoidance of problems in the first place. Some items can slip away to a watery grave very quickly. As Ralph noted, one often tethers many things. Q. Do they attach the paddle to you or the boat? A. Chris Duff used a boat-to-person tether for his NZ trip. The line is attached to the bow, and a belt with quick disconnect goes around his waist whenever the wind goes above 20 knots. The belt come off for surf landings. He uses a wrist-to-paddle tether, and can continue to use this in the surf. During big surf landings, he lets go of the paddle, lest his arm be yanked off, then when life settles down in the soup, he pulls the paddle toward himself and rolls back up. The other option is to tether your paddle to the boat, and it can be done for as little as three bucks US. As Ralph said, this usually ensures if you come out of the boat, by holding on to the paddle, you still have the boat. This works well, with the exception of one situation. Trust me to find this out, and it is suitably written up in the annals of kayaking screw-ups. On my Trial Island incident, I broke my wooden paddle clean in two, loosing both halves of the paddle in the turbulent high wind/ rip tide combo. I had my backup boat-to-person tether on, so was still in contact with the boat (a bit of a different set-up than Chris'). It had been blowing 50 knots all day, with a good sea and tide running, heavy overfalls, reflected waves and 6 foot breaking seas (I waited for the wind to die down to 30 knots). There was almost no way of holding onto anything in that stuff. I did get tangled in my personal tether, and have since given up thin rope in favor of 1" (25 mm) nylon webbing, similar to Chris Duff's. Mine is bright yellow, which shows up in the water better. As far as paddle leashes (the better description), Matt reported on a gal surfing with one a few years ago, who was horribly tangled up in one. Our own Paul Hollerbach caught his leg in one on a sudden huge windstorm on a river back east. He came out of his boat, and his foot got tangled up. It worked out in the end, because this meant he was still attached to the kayak and made out okay. Q. How long is the tether? A. Keep them as short as you can. A wrist leash must allow all your normal and advanced maneuvers, as must one that connects boat to paddle. Chris's boat-to-paddler tether is just long enough to reach the belt around his waist which forms the end of the tether, with a bit of extra slack. I use a short river tow line, coiled in a pouch, that I clip to the deck line when things get over 25 knots, headlands, crossings, or I'm night paddling. I still do rough water night paddling, but shouldn't talk about it on this list. Like I said, backups. Most folks don't opt for the boat-to-person tether, but do consider a paddle tether and other lesser tethers as a reasonable safety and convenience addition. Q. Just straight rope, or some kind of springy/contracting line? A. Coiled types are great, but bang on the deck as someone pointed out, and shockcord tethers are nice in that if they do tangle, you can usually get some slack happening. Usually. I don't like rope myself -- not anymore, no matter what the major tether. Of course, I'm not much good at rope knots either. For secondary tethers (VHF) etc., rope is okay. Just ensure nothing can wrap around your neck, man. If you or anyone else would like a fax or xerox copy of my tether article I did for SK Magazine give me a back-channel shout. I don't push the idea, I simply want paddlers to know some of the options as well as the dangers. I've seen some terribly dangerous tether arrangements over the years. I'm glad you haven't seen any bad ones, Marvin. But then you haven't seen any good ones either, it sounds like. Doug Lloyd (who's wife is still trying to tether him) PS If you write about tether use for any major publication, do expect to be tarred and tethered by the odd individual bound up by BCU/ ACA myopia :-) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> Her answer is that she has practiced wet exits and reentries under > extremely challenging conditions so many times that she knows > exactly how > the tether will behave and how to deal with it. > Hummm... I'm certainly no expert, and I may have missed the spirit of the statement, but it sure sounds like a case of complacency, which is a catalyst for an accident. As soon as she knows "exactly" how the tether will perform, it may suddenly surprise her - at that point, will she have the "wherewithall" to rapidly adjust and survive? In my short history of paddling, my assumption is that I *NEVER* know exactly how something will perform, and am therefore constantly vigilant and thinking through potential mishap scenarios. Just a thought.... Rick *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 05:04 PM 3/27/01 -0500, Rick Sylvia wrote: > > Her answer is that she has practiced wet exits and reentries under > > extremely challenging conditions so many times that she knows > > exactly how > > the tether will behave and how to deal with it. > > > >Hummm... I'm certainly no expert, and I may have missed the spirit of the >statement, but it sure sounds like a case of complacency, which is a >catalyst for an accident. As soon as she knows "exactly" how the tether >will perform, it may suddenly surprise her - at that point, will she have >the "wherewithall" to rapidly adjust and survive? She believes that she will because of the amount of practice she does with her equipment. She doesn't just practice in a heated, flatwater pool, but in challenging conditions as well. That includes 15' swells and 25 knot winds. I don't think there is anything complacent about the preparation she does for her trips. She said that when she *did* capsize off the coast of Alaska it took her 28 seconds to get back in her boat. >In my short history of paddling, my assumption is that I *NEVER* know >exactly how something will perform, and am therefore constantly vigilant and >thinking through potential mishap scenarios. She does more than just think about them. She practices under conditions that might cause them. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
-----Original Message----- From: skylakeboatworks_at_yahoo.com [mailto:skylakeboatworks_at_yahoo.com] I have no idea what kind of can of worms I am opening with this one.... I have never used one or met anyone who did, yet. Paddle tethers.... Are they good or bad? Do you consider them essential? Do they attach the paddle to you or the boat? How long is the tether? Just straight rope, or some kind of springy/contracting line? Marvin>>> I use a tether on my paddle all the time when paddling on the open sea and consider it essential safety equipment, especially in strong wind. I tend not to use one on lakes and rivers unless its really windy. Mine attaches the paddle to the kayak. I also use them in the surf but it depends. If I am just having fun riding the waves and each ride finishes on the beach or very near it I tend not to use the paddle tether, mainly incase the kayak ends up on the paddle if we get separated but that is fairly rare as I have a reliable surf roll. If I am riding waves a fair way off shore (ie a River Bar) where it would be a long swim if I get separated from my boat then I always have my paddle tethered to the kayak. I use an ex surf ski springy cord which is a bit annoying as it tends to bang (As Peter pointed out) on the spray skirt as I paddle. I keep meaning to replace it but have been saying that for about 10 years. David Australia *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Well, she's got me beat, then. I've never even seen a 15' swell! Sounds like the statement "...she knows exactly how the tether will behave..." is really "... she knows exactly how the tether *usually/typically* behaves, and practices in extreme conditions such that she can handle the odd-ball behavior with speed and without panicking." Wish I could - I'm working on it. Rick > > > Her answer is that she has practiced wet exits and reentries under > > > extremely challenging conditions so many times that she knows > > > exactly how > > > the tether will behave and how to deal with it. > > > > > > >Hummm... I'm certainly no expert, and I may have missed the > spirit of the > >statement, but it sure sounds like a case of complacency, which is a > >catalyst for an accident. As soon as she knows "exactly" > how the tether > >will perform, it may suddenly surprise her - at that point, > will she have > >the "wherewithall" to rapidly adjust and survive? > > She believes that she will because of the amount of practice she does > with her equipment. She doesn't just practice in a heated, flatwater > pool, but in challenging conditions as well. That includes > 15' swells and > 25 knot winds. I don't think there is anything complacent about the > preparation she does for her trips. She said that when she > *did* capsize > off the coast of Alaska it took her 28 seconds to get back in > her boat. > > >In my short history of paddling, my assumption is that I *NEVER* know > >exactly how something will perform, and am therefore > constantly vigilant and > >thinking through potential mishap scenarios. > > She does more than just think about them. She practices > under conditions > that might cause them. > > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
It should also be noted that once this "exact" knowledge is acquired, it could well be of substantial value, say if you were walking a dog during a tornado warning. Or moreover, in a chaos like situation, the only exactly known thing about ropes is, the less rope you give somebody, the less likely they are to hang themselves. Doug's(or chris's) idea of using strap would reduce the probability of the loose line forming a twisted loop and then another loop passing through the twisted loop (instant noose). On Wed 28 Mar 2001, Rick Sylvia wrote: > Well, she's got me beat, then. I've never even seen a 15' swell! Sounds > like the statement "...she knows exactly how the tether will behave..." is > really "... she knows exactly how the tether *usually/typically* behaves, > and practices in extreme conditions such that she can handle the odd-ball > behavior with speed and without panicking." Wish I could - I'm working on > it. > > Rick > > > > > > Her answer is that she has practiced wet exits and reentries under > > > > extremely challenging conditions so many times that she knows > > > > exactly how > > > > the tether will behave and how to deal with it. > > > > > > > > > >Hummm... I'm certainly no expert, and I may have missed the > > spirit of the > > >statement, but it sure sounds like a case of complacency, which is a > > >catalyst for an accident. As soon as she knows "exactly" > > how the tether > > >will perform, it may suddenly surprise her - at that point, > > will she have > > >the "wherewithall" to rapidly adjust and survive? -- Mike McNally mmcnally3_at_prodigy.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
From: "Doug Lloyd" <dlloyd_at_telus.net> > in my personal tether, and have since given up thin rope in favor of 1" > (25 mm) nylon webbing, similar to Chris Duff's. Mine is bright yellow, > which shows up in the water better. Just a thought... You could consider swapping this for 25mm polypropylene webbing so it floats. Not as strong as nylon, but if the polypro webbing hits its breaking strength, whatever part of your body it's attached to will no longer be attached to you. The polypro webbing will also allow you to shave a few grams off the weight of your kayak :-) Mike. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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