My wife has been searching all day for one of the burner covers from the kitchen stove (it is temporarily replacing the third VCP cover on my Seda Glider). Does anyone know if VCP or any other firm is producing a superior product - one that doesn't have to be replaced every year or so? Joe S -- jsanford1_at_cfl.rr.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Most folks including myself find them to work well, either way I don't know anyone making replacement for VCP hatches other then VCP. Are you putting a UV protectant like 303. JFF >My wife has been searching all day for one of the burner covers from >the kitchen stove (it is temporarily replacing the third VCP cover >on my Seda Glider). > >Does anyone know if VCP or any other firm is producing a superior >product - one that doesn't have to be replaced every year or so? >Joe S >-- >jsanford1_at_cfl.rr.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
My VCP hatch cover id going into its fourth season looking -- at this point -- like it will last at least another one. No one who knows me would accuse me of pampering my boat, but I do regularly wipe the hatch covers with '303'. Seems to help. Bob V > Does anyone know if VCP or any other firm is producing a superior > product - one that doesn't have to be replaced every year or so? Joe > S *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> Does anyone know if VCP or any other firm is producing a superior > product - one that doesn't have to be replaced every year or so? Joe > S I know your problem and I got the solution, or a maybe-solution. VCP hatches had been for quite a long time the first choice. Functional and waterproof enough. I was told they got 80 per cent of the world market, but Valley rest on their success and a few years ago (6 or 7, ??) Kayaksport OY from Finland and Lettmann from germany work together and build a new cover, which is replacing now VCP hatches worldwide. VCP hatches are made from PU or something else (polyurethane) and this material suffers from UV-radiation and ozone. KS-OY hatches are made from rubber. You have the choise between round hatches of 10, 20, 24 cm (2,54 cm = 1 inch) and the oval 42x30 cm one. (all inner diametres) Their edges fit better than the VCP egdes to the hatch-frame. The rubber is more watertight and flexible, even under cold conditions. Each hatch got to "nipples" (inside and outside) with a hole, so you can knot a rope to it. The outer "nipple" makes it easier to open the hatch, and the inner one is ideal to fix the hatch to the boat, so you canīt loose the hatch by mistake! But the best is the price and the dimensions. The VCP round hatch got an inner diametre from 19cm and outer is exactly the same like the 20cm hatch-frame from KS-OY. o can change them. The price of hatch + frame is much lower then the single VCP hatch (Without frame) !!! I think thatīs the reason why most producers chnage their forms. My Sirius still got the VCP hatches, because I havnīt had the choice several years ago, but my Artisan and Spitzbergen got the KS-OY hatches and I love them. I even got the small 10cm hatch, it is ideal for the very end of a long boat, so you can get out and in small things and place them more exactly in the boat. 2 Problems they still got. First is when they are nex, then it is hard work to open them. Then you use some vaseline or silicon spray. 2nd is, you could make more personal mistakes. One time I close the round hatch and the little rope comes under the hatch. Afterwards I wonder where the few water had come in. So you have to pay more attention on this system, but thats nothing, compared with the good aspects. Hope this might be a help for you. bye Jochen *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Just forgotten one point. For my VCP hatches I couldnīt change into KS-OY ones, Iīve build last autumn a kind of spray-covers against the UV-radiation. I took some spinnaker-stuff-material (very thin cloth) and cut it round (or oval) shaped. Sew a round tunnel for a thin and strong rope. Than a place the cover over the hatches and fasten it with the rope, running through the groove (of the hatch). The cover fits the hatch exactly and you could give your boring black hatches some coloured effects, too. I hope the covers will protect the hatches against the UV-radiation, if not - it was a try. For the oval hatch I will sew a little bag on the cover, so I could place there some stuff, like a lamp, signal flares, trail rope ... in it. I offer this idea to some dealers and the Valley dealer. But the market denied a need. For sure, they like to sell new hatches every 2 years! all the best Jochen G. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
John, What does using a emoticon have to do with anything? I simply stated the fact that I happen have exactly what someone requested. In a timely fashion. Basically just an answer to a posted question. BTW, now quite a few people know where they might find a VCP hatch, asap. Isn't this valuable information? I could post from my home account, without the sig, if this will make you happy. steve Alder Creek Kayak & Canoe N 45š 39' 47" 250 NE Tomahawk Isle Dr. W 122š 36' 16" Portland, OR 97217 Web: www.aldercreek.com Phone: 503.285.0464 Email: aldercreek_at_qwest.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 09:53 AM 5/13/02 -0700, Alder Creek Kayak & Canoe wrote: >John, > >What does using a emoticon have to do with anything? Good question. Since you used one both times it looked like you knowingly violated the list policy but because an emoticon was added it somehow made it okay. >I simply stated the fact that I happen have exactly what someone requested. >In a timely fashion. > >Basically just an answer to a posted question. > >BTW, now quite a few people know where they might find a VCP hatch, asap. >Isn't this valuable information? Perhaps to the person that asked the question. I don't know how many subscribers there are on Paddlewise now but I would be willing to guess that the overwhelming majority of them have no need for a VCP hatch cover and you're answer is nothing more than unsolicited commercial advertising. I could probably find a half dozen vendors with a simple web search where one could buy a VCP hatch cover. If every vendor that sold VCP hatch covers simply responded to the simple question it would clutter up the list pretty fast. If someone asked a simple question about Perception kayaks, Paddlewise would become almost unusable if every vendor that sold Perception kayaks decided to subscribe to the list and respond to every query about Perception kayaks with an indication regarding stock availability. >I could post from my home account, without the sig, if this will make you >happy. Whether that would make me happy is irrelevant. The fact is (from the welcome message when you subscribed to Paddlewise): * Commercial promotion and advertising is not allowed. However, a simple four-line by-line in your signature stating the name of your business and contact information is generally acceptable. Answering a question about equipment and including all of the subscribers on the list , rather that just responding to the person that asked for the information, is, in my opinion, commercial promotion and advertising, and thus is in violation of the listserv policy. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
John, I'm almost always in agreement with you, but this time I do disagree. The original poster was asking where he could get the hatch cover quickly. Steve at Alder Creek did answer that. Perhaps it should have been done back channel direct to the original poster--but the request was to the list and a simple answer was given. There was no advertising to the effect of "We also carry......and ........and are offering the following specials........." Just my 2 cents, Steve Holtzman ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Fereira" <jaf30_at_cornell.edu> big snip.........you're answer is nothing more than unsolicited commercial advertising. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> >What does using a emoticon have to do with anything? > > Good question. Since you used one both times it looked like you knowingly > violated the list policy but because an emoticon was added it somehow made > it okay. Steve's emoticon # 1 I have one ready for instant delivery if you need one asap. ;-) Paddler was not happy with his local dealer and was loosing faith in his ability to get a skirt from said dealer. I went to the trouble of grabbing a couple skirts and fitting them on the Scirroco, determining which was the best option. My wink was to say I hate to barge in on your local dealer dude, but I happen to have one right here that I might make a paddler happy, by shipping asap. Emoticon # 2 Is that timely enough?? =:-o) As in: WOW, timeliness could be as soon as physically possible. steve *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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