From: "Peter A. Chopelas" <pac_at_premier1.net> > There is no reason to assume a high aspect ratio paddle will slip more than > a low aspect ratio paddle. It will not in fact. > In "The Shape of the Canoe", John Winters writes: "... my tests show that the lower aspect ratio paddles are somewhat more efficient (Fig 50 - he shows a graph with thrust decrease vs aspect ratio). This appears to fly in the face of aeronautical research [...] A possible explanation is that wave making resistance is higher for wide shallow paddles. " He goes on to say that the paddle is used at the interface of two fluids of different properties and that there is an impulse effect and not just a steady-state flow, both of which can affect the results relative to the aerodynamic theory. Experiment beats theory any day, especially if the experiment doesn't leave out what the theory does. > I also have hundreds of miles in canoes, much less in kayaks, but both with > Euro paddles and only recently with native style blades. The high aspect > ratio blade is more efficient. Your experimental background should make you less inclined to go with a subjective conclusion. Have you actually _measured_ this efficiency or have you just decided the paddle makes you feel better? > Larger also gets heavier, and must be stiffer. And longer doesn't? Don't forget you are comparing a thick wood paddle to a thin composite paddle. Most woods have stiffness-to-weight ratios that can't be beat by other materials without going to extremes. Unless you go to foam-cored graphite/boron/whatever (to get the volume up), wood almost always wins. > For both airplane wings and propeller (and paddles), the component of drag > that goes down with increasing AR is called induced drag. Given that the chord length of a paddle is next to zero, wouldn't that imply that induced drag is negligible? Assuming here a composite blade. Or to put it another way, the drag on the blade as a flat plate swamps the induced drag. Besides, why would you want _less_ drag? Drag is what makes the paddle work! > You must use a paddle with a smooth low pressure face. Most commercial > paddles have very poor low pressure faces, they attach the handle on the > "back" (side opposite from the "thrust" face) and make no attempt to smooth > the attachment. These already have spoiled flow over the low pressure side > and the test would not be valid. > My expectation is separation of the flow at the edge of the paddle with eddies coming off both sides, possibly with Karman vortex trails causing flutter. How does a wide, flat(ish) blade result in a flow on the back face? Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************Received on Sun May 20 2001 - 17:54:16 PDT
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