In a message dated 5/11/01 1:10:51 PM, gulfstream_at_flinet.com writes: << The trick would be to describe the features and functionality of a boat without being subjective. Then have a totally subjective what I like and don’t like about this boat section. >> Trick is the operative word here. You can go to the listings and see the attributes of just about every boat made. You can't really talk objectively about things like the feel of the boat on edge or even the stability of a boat without so many exceptions it become babble. That or that thing SK does with its heeling/righting whatever that I never have quite figure out. (I admit I haven't tried real hard either.) The questions we get the most are from new/er padders. We seem to need to break it into different questions. What will serve the needs of a new paddler who doesn't really know the jargon as opposed to the paddler who has been paddling long enough to know the real meaning of the jargon and can actually follow a discussion between Matt and John. This sounds like a huge amount of work, though it is fun to think about. I've wished there was a decent single source of information. Bob, are you volunteering <G>. Joan *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Joan Spinner: ... Bob, are you volunteering ? Ralph Hoehn: If Bob will I might ... anyone else? Joan? Best regards, Ralph Ralph C. Hoehn Ralph_at_PouchBoats.com www.PouchBoats.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
----- Original Message ----- From: <FoldingBoats_at_aol.com> > Joan Spinner: ... Bob, are you volunteering ? > > Ralph Hoehn: If Bob will I might ... anyone else? Joan I don't know about you, Ralph, on this. You sell kayaks or want to anyway. That is what most venues that offer reviews try to avoid. I am sure you are convinced that you are objective but... Now, some people who make and sell kayaks may be above reproach such as Matt Broze who has been at it a long time and well established for honesty and shooting straight; but I bet even he would hesitate to do reviews except privately or stick to real objective stuff like what he has done with hundreds of boats he has measured against objective criteria such as length etc or which he measures for sprint speed on a standard course he has set out long ago. You are hungry to make an impact and it sometimes shows in your posts. Anyway that is my opinion and observation. ralph diaz *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
If there is interest in developing a review methodology I'm game! > > Ralph Hoehn: If Bob will I might ... anyone else? Joan? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 5/11/01 7:27:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ralph diaz rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com writes: > I don't know about you, Ralph [Hoehn], on this. You sell kayaks or want to > anyway. That is what most venues that offer reviews try to avoid. I am > sure you are convinced that you are objective but... Now, some people who > make and sell kayaks may be above reproach [SNIP] You are hungry to make an > impact and it sometimes shows in your posts. Anyway that is my opinion and > observation. Woah there, Ralph! I always value your opinion ... well, perhaps a little less than usual in this instance. ;-) My tentative offer to join in a potential Paddlewise review project referred merely to mechanical number crunching (little scope for partiality in that :-) if it were required because something like the procedure outlined in my post "Neutralizing the subjectivity of evaluation of kayaks" actually were to come into being. Since the level of elegance of the title directly reflects the level of straight forward simplicity of the idea (neither level very high in this stage of development), I suspect that we may not go very far with it anyway. I'm sorry that my posting the "offer" and the "outline" out of sequence caused confusion here -- I started the latter before the former, but only finished it during my evening commute and thus sent it later. Best regards, Ralph Ralph C. Hoehn Ralph_at_PouchBoats.com www.PouchBoats.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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