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From: Tom <tombrooklyn_at_yahoo.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Tribalance Kayak Prone To Rolling In Steep Waves?
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 04:58:54 -0800 (PST)
> 28Jan02; From:Paul Murtaugh; Subject: photography
platforms... I asked about stable photography platforms...
-Paul
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>> Checkout Tribalance, a trimaran kayak...
>> Extremely stable, yet main hull is  very narrow 21"...
>> You can literally stand up in it to fish or take 
>> pictures.  <http://www.tribalance.com> ...David

I wonder how that Tribalance kayak would behave in wave and
wake conditions.  Would the outriggers create a substantial
rolling moment when one is lifted and the other is in the
air in beam seas? 

-TomBk-

PS: Good job Jackie and thanks; enjoy your "retirement". 
Hope to see you post now and then.


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From: Wilky <carrot_at_vision.net.au>
subject: [Paddlewise] A hard paddle.
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:57:36 +1100
Well I just got home from a 4hour paddle and I am absolutely stuffed. It's
strange with all the talk on safety gear etc, that I felt really good when
we set out, but 10 -15 minutes later I was starting to feel the pinch and I
never improved at all.

Conditions where favourable, running with an out going tide, but a stiff
breeze on the nose, should not have been a problem though but I sure did
struggle. We should of reached our destination easily by dusk but it was
well and truly dark by the time we arrived because the group was only
paddling slowly so I could keep up.

Although all of us have paddled at night quite regularly, this particular
time we were not expecting too so none of us were carrying lights.

We also got caught in a dead end channel on the shallows in the dark and had
to back track a kilometre to get out of it and back into the main channel.
The dead end channel is something that I did not know existed and it is not
shown on the charts of the area, it is only marked as shallows and we
thought we were on the outside edge, until we ran out of water.

The interesting thing was the fact that we had no lights, so as I was
struggling along I got to thinking about some of the conversations on the
list of late and I realised that on several occasions I could not see the
other boats at all and me feeling extremely tired by this stage I realised
that had I gotten any worse or capsized I would not of had the strength to
get myself out of trouble and there was a good chance that the others would
not of been able to find me until daylight. A very sobering experience. I
was very pleased to see our finishing point.

Just goes to show that we are all vulnerable.

Cheers from a very tired Wilky.


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From: David Flory <daflory_at_pacbell.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Tribalance Kayak Prone To Rolling In Steep Waves?
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:22:51 -0800
I had suggested the Tribalance Kayak as a possibility for photography,
off list.

>I wonder how that Tribalance kayak would behave in wave and
>wake conditions.  Would the outriggers create a substantial
>rolling moment when one is lifted and the other is in the
>air in beam seas? 

My answer is, "I don't know." However if you look at their site, http://
www.tribalance.com you'll see that they don't recommend that you paddle
it in high seas. Actually I think the TriBalance shouldn't tip as much on
given size wave as a standard wide body kayak which is, perhaps, 38"
wide, as it is 90" wide. I'd think this would make it 'bridge' more of
the space between the wave and the flat water in front of it so it
wouldn't be tipping at as great an angle. However wisdom from trimarans
says that at some point there would be a tripping effect from the
downwave ama which might be driven to submerge and cause the boat to
flip. I suspect that the distributer is being cautious and trying to
avoid lawsuits. I suspect it's OK in any conditions I would want to be
paddling in.

I suggested it with the thought of a photographer who is inexperienced in
kayaking. I wouldn't recommend going out in high waves and putting down
the paddle and looking through a view finder to anyone, in any kayak,
certainly not me. In rough conditions I want both hands on the paddle and
full peripheral awareness. In the kind of fairly calm conditions that I
would be  trying to do photography from a kayak, I think the Tri-balance
would give a marvelously comfortable photography, diving, fishing,
sunbathing, or reading platform with most of the advantages of a regular
kayak. I'd consider one for the close in ocean and the Elkhorn Slough.
I'd think it might work well as a kite sailer, too. I don't think it's
design target was experienced kayakers, who are the only ones who should
be kayaking in serious weather, and then only after serious judgement of
the risks, and the appropriate kayaking equipment. 

In a TriBalance I'd be willing to carry a $K camera system. As it is I
use a little Sony DSC P1 in a marine enclosure shooting from  a Cobra
Expedition SOT. I don't worry about getting wet because it works
underwater down to 100 feet. Even with this little camera I often just
point it and shoot, without using either the optical or LCD finder. When
you're looking thru' a viewfinder (or binocs) your world is narrowed down
a bunch. Any little wave or wake is likely to be a wet surprise when
you're not holding your paddle. 

Lots of people use 35mm film cameras from kayaks, but I wouldn't do it or
suggest it to anyone who is serious about their camera's. One splash from
saltwater and it's become a doorstop. Keeping the regular camera in a
drybag and taking it out to shoot means you miss 90% of the shots you
want because they are transitory. Wildlife always moves just as you get
ready to press the shutter, usually out of your sight.  :-)
 

Fairwinds and happy bytes,
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