I'm with Dave on this subject: the Boom Box from Eco-Safe is the perfect solution for a kayaker. It fits in the boat, it works as a toilet [kind of a nice feature!] and it gets emptied at any RV dump station. The kiddies on a teen trip in Maine even liked it, and they rarely like anything that makes sense to adults. Jim Tibensky _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hi Rick, I'm a kayaker and also a caver. In caving we carry both solids and liquids out. I use soda bottles for liquid. For solid waste this works. You need some news paper. Lay one news paper page on the ground. Do your thing. Wrap your solids in the news paper page and put that in a ziplock. The news paper makes it easy to pick up the solids. It contains the solids. It keeps the solids out of sight which is nice. The ziplock contains the smell. I actually use two ziplocks for added protection. This may sound gross to some but if you have a hot camp fire you can throw the solids in. This does give off an odor but it does get rid of the waste. The odor lasts for half and hour or so. Burning kills any pathogens so it is environmental. If you can't burn it because of restrictions pack it out. Rick Rick Niemi Web: www.kayaksandmore.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Just got back from La Paz, Baja, where we had to pack out our solids. Wasn't pretty, but is a vital effort for wild lands. Our group used anything from homemade 5" pvc pipes, BDH packs (available at Great River Outfitters), coffee cans and dry bags. If you trust it to hold a seal, it fits in your kayak and it's structure is tough enough to withstand the abuse of a lengthy trip, it ought to do. The trick is: bring multiple 12x 15 waste can liners. use a new one each day. You may even want to double bag it if you want to use the container again. Some folks bring along a bag of lime or baking soda to cut down on the odors. You can even scruff about for a little charcoal at campfire rings, it is nearly as effective. Be extra cautious of your personal hygiene by washing your hands carefully when handling waste. Some folks bring a can big enough to catch solid emissions without secondary handling, others bring one that require "doody tongs" to place waste in bag secondarily. That may depend on local regs or operator's sensibilities. I'm glad the emphasis is on waste management these days, heavily impacted sites are really scary when folks don't take back what they brought, to put it politely. Log onto backpacker.com and they will have some further info that is valuable. Occasionally the paddling mags deal with this issue to. There is a book available called "How to Shit in the Woods", but I forget who it's by. Any decent outdoor store would likely have a copy. By the way, the emphasis is on solids, not liquids. Unless your solids are liquid which is another issue that may cause you to bring a small supply of Immodium or some such stopping agent. I do, and it has saved the day(s). I've noticed other fellow travelers grab their cans multiple times in a day reaffirming my decision to always update my first aid kit before each trip. Finally, if the place you plan to visit is alive with biting insects you may want a pee bottle in your tent. I am never so bitten when I make midnight trips to tend to bid'ness. Pee bottles remove 85% of the effort and introduce no new insects on your body or in your tent at night. If you have a tent mate, you may have problems, though. Something to think about. Good luck! We expect a full report (of the paddling!) at trips conclusion. Rob *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> There is a book available called "How to Shit in the Woods", but > I forget who > it's by. Any decent outdoor store would likely have a copy. > Kathleen Meyer, ISBN 0-89815-319-0 Allan Singleton *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> There is a book available called "How to Shit in the Woods", but I forget who > it's by. Any decent outdoor store would likely have a copy. > The book is by Kathleen Meyer, and is from Ten Speed Press, Berkeley, CA. The ISBN is0-89815-627-0/ Joan *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> The trick is: bring multiple 12x 15 waste can liners. use a new one each day. > You may even want to double bag it if you want to use the container again. Seems trash compactor bags would do. I found this site when doing some search for sailboat equipment. Much could apply to a kayaking trip where, unlike backpacking, we have room to carry a bit more. This is a commercial site. Not a lot of detailed info, just a list of products with descriptions which can give you an idea of what is available and you can search for more info from there.... http://www.theoutdoorworld.com/products/ptoilets.htm Possibly some of the biodegradable tablets to help eliminate odors might make your return trip a bit more pleasant. Don't think I would order any of the tablets or chemicals that would break down solid waste, though. Seems like this would not be a desired result. cheers, jackie *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>Rocket boxes are too large for a kayak we use them for rafts. You will >probably need about 24 inches of tube. -- MZ 24" of tube for how many "person-days"? Shawn Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I am not going to be emptying anything...I'm far too squeamish. I bought The Pett porta-potti. It's about $90, but folds flat to the size of a large briefcase. I also got their privacy shelter...self-standing and quick, integrated set-up system. It won't fit in a kayak, Rick, but good for the campground. You could use the bag and crystals in a smaller container. See http://www.thepett.com/products.html for a photo of the full setup. The system uses some nice-smelling crystals that turn liquid into gel within seconds and it is environmentally friendly. Problem is the bags cost $2 a pop (and the bags have started to crumble so i will send some of them back.) I've been able to get two or three pees out of one bag, though and once stretched it to four, but that was really pushing it. I needed a source for more crystals and I believe it was Linda/Camper Jones who posted it on an earlier thread: I bought 1 lb jar of SBG-1 for about $20. I tried using one teaspon in a scented plastic bag, but that was not quite enough. Slightly more than half a coffee scoop seems to be OK and I can always add a few more crystals. www.theThrone.com Have not been desperate enough to use it for solid waste, but it's supposed to be OK. sandy kramer miami thanks for not handing me up, Dave. :) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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