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From: Jim Belair <belairjim_at_hotmail.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] skin on frame -seat & back support
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:04:02 -0400
The last details on the SOF I built last season from Chris C.'s articles in 
SK are the seat and back support, and I'm struggling...

I tried various pieces of ensolite cut to fit between the ribs for the seat. 
  Not enough padding.  I have a Thermarest seat that I think will do the 
trick with its adjustable firmness.

Biggest problem is back support.  I tried a foam piece (pool noodle) carved 
to fit between my back and cockpit rim, with a strap around the deck beam to 
hold it in place.  Its OK for a half hour or so.  I usually prefer a 
backband style but can't figure out how to fit it and stay "authentic" with 
the boat construction, i.e., no glue or metal fastners.  Something that fit 
in with the look would be nice too.

I know the Inuit just sat on a pile of skins...

If anyone has come up with a solution I appreciate hearing from them.

Cheers,
Jim on the Great Lakes



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From: Kirk Olsen <kolsen_at_imaginelan.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] skin on frame -seat & back support
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:04:24 -0400
At 11:04 AM 4/15/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>Biggest problem is back support.  I tried a foam piece (pool noodle) 
>carved to fit between my back and cockpit rim, with a strap around the 
>deck beam to hold it in place.  Its OK for a half hour or so.  I usually 
>prefer a backband style but can't figure out how to fit it and stay 
>"authentic" with the boat construction, i.e., no glue or metal 
>fastners.  Something that fit in with the look would be nice too.
>
>If anyone has come up with a solution I appreciate hearing from them.

If you spend a bit of time concentrating on the boat in the foreground of
http://home.attbi.com/~jkolsen/g2k/alec1withbeach.jpg   You can make out
a adjustable back brace.  The backbrace is basically a dowel with a wooden
oval attached to it.  The dowel fits into one of 5 slots so you can adjust 
the trim of the boat.  A fancier version would be to pad the wooden disk, 
with some forming the wooden oval is pretty comfortable.

Alternatively the boat in the foreground of
http://home.attbi.com/~jkolsen/g2k/4onbeach.jpg
simply has a back pad secured to the cockpit coaming.


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From: Greg Stamer <gstamer_at_hotmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] skin on frame -seat & back support
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:07:21 -0400
>The last details on the SOF I built last season from Chris C.'s articles in 
>SK are the seat and back support, and I'm struggling...

Jim,

The traditional outfitting can be very comfortable. Did you space the ribs 
in the cockpit area so that your "butt bones" fit between two adjacent ribs? 
If not, you may want to remove a rib or cut out the bottom of a rib to make 
a half-rib. In addition to helping with comfort, this gets your weight as 
low as possible. When the Greenlanders capsize you often see their butt and 
heel impressions on the bottom of the kayak. Many of the modern Greenlanders 
use a 1/4" thick foam pad that stretches from the backrest to the footrest 
and serves to pad the seat, backrest, footrest, provide insulation and keep 
sand from getting into the lashings. With the ribs spaced in this manner and 
with the foam pad, the fit can be very comfortable.

The kayak and paddle are a tuned system, and a number of kayakers who use a 
Greenland-style SOF with a Greenland-style paddle find that they place very 
little pressure on the backrest. As for myself, I lean forward slightly and 
help drive the paddle using a slight abdominal "crunch" where you start with 
your torso erect and then lean forward slightly. This technique was shown to 
me in West Greenland and appears to be quite widespread there. (I was warned 
not to "bounce" the kayak up and down). It reminds me somewhat of standing 
on the pedals during biking. With the low foredeck common to Greenland 
kayaks you can lift the opposite knee in concert with the "crunch" to use 
very large muscle groups. This requires proper timing and feels somewhat 
like performing a sit-up with someone holding your legs. This technique puts 
very little pressure on the backrest.

Hopefully this helps, but we are all built differently, and one person's 
comfort is another's misery.

Greg Stamer


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