I'm intrigued: What is a butterfly roll? I certainly agree that wood paddles are superior for rolling. I'd like to see our club get a few for pool practices because they are such great teaching aids. I also think they might be a good safety idea for anyone wanting to solidify a marginal roll in real life conditions. I feel like a fiberglass paddle works well enough for me, but the wood do work better. Ken Rasmussen *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 09:34 PM 4/28/02 -0700, Kathea and Ken wrote: >I'm intrigued: What is a butterfly roll? Assuming you're going to roll up on the right side: Grab the paddle in the middle of the loom. Cross your arms such that the left hand is holding the cockpit rim on the right and the right arm is over the left with the paddle along the left side and parallel to the boat. Lean forward slightly and capsize to the left. Once upside down, extend the paddle straight away from the boat with your right hand, holding the loom loosely, as if you're opening up a "wing". Then open up the other "wing" (extend your left hand) as you lay back and rotate the boat with your hips. You'll end up lying on the back deck. If it's done right it will feel completely effortless. If you don't come up you've usually done one of two things wrong. If you hold the paddle too firmly or try to pull down on the paddle one end will tend to dive. If you just extend the paddle out and hold it very loosely it works much better. The other thing that keeps you from coming up is failing to lay back enough. I don't even think about a hip snap as much as just laying back as I open up my left arm. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
From: "Kathea and Ken" <kayakfit_at_fidalgo.net> > I'm intrigued: What is a butterfly roll? John's description is good. Another is by Brian Nystrom and I copied it on my rolling web page: http://members.rogers.com/michaeldaly2/kayakRollingXref.htm Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 12:15 PM 4/29/02 -0400, Michael Daly wrote: >From: "Kathea and Ken" <kayakfit_at_fidalgo.net> > > > I'm intrigued: What is a butterfly roll? > >John's description is good. Another is by Brian Nystrom and >I copied it on my rolling web page: > >http://members.rogers.com/michaeldaly2/kayakRollingXref.htm That's a great page. I'm going to have to print it out and go down the list, trying each of the rolls to see how many I can do. BTW, did you try the "paddle flip roll" in Ray's class? He did it a few times and Gabriel and I paddled with him last summer. I couldn't remember the set up position (it's not real obvious) but once I did it was fairly easy to do and looks really cool when seen from above. I have one quibble about the Butterfly/back hand roll description in your table though. The two "types" you have available are "brace" and "sweep" and the butterfly roll doesn't really fit into either. It's much easier to do if you try *not* to brace with the paddle, but just hold onto it loosely. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 09:34 PM 02/04/28 -0700, Kathea and Ken wrote: >I'm intrigued: What is a butterfly roll? > >I certainly agree that wood paddles are superior for rolling. When you say wooden paddles do you mean wooden European style paddles or Greenland style paddles? My limited (very limited experience) has been that a GP works similar to an airplane wing in that it creates lift thus aiding in the roll. I've also thought that wooden EP's are easier to roll with. My rolling skills are not very advanced and I'd be interested in knowing if more experienced paddlers have any opinions on this. Gordin Warner *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
From: "John Fereira" <jaf30_at_cornell.edu> > >http://members.rogers.com/michaeldaly2/kayakRollingXref.htm > > That's a great page. I'm going to have to print it out and go down the > list, trying each of the rolls to see how many I can do. You're joining an number of other folks doing the same (including me). I've managed over twenty so far, obviously to varying degrees of success. There are a few more that need a _lot_ of work. > BTW, did you try the "paddle flip roll" in Ray's class? He did it a few > times and Gabriel and I paddled with him last summer. He had us doing it in the rolling class, then in the next day's traditional paddling class we did it with the capsize to the paddle side, resulting in a _really_ slow capsize. It's a roll that is easy and fun. The other I liked was the one where you lightly hold the paddle on the gunwale and capsize away from the paddle, causing it to roll up onto the upturned hull. You then reach around with one hand and, bracing off the inverted hull, roll up. I can't remember then name of that roll and called it "Under The Hull Roll??" for now. Anyone? > I have one quibble about the Butterfly/back hand roll description in your > table though. The two "types" you have available are "brace" and "sweep" > and the butterfly roll doesn't really fit into either. It's much easier to > do if you try *not* to brace with the paddle, but just hold onto it loosely. It's obviously not a sweep, so it becomes a brace almost by default. It is true that the least force on the paddle the better, but any action at all is a bracing-type maneouver, hence the classification. BTW, I still am looking for rolls not on the list. Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Michael Daly wrote: > > The other [roll] I > liked was the one where you lightly hold the paddle on the gunwale and > capsize away from the paddle, causing it to roll up onto the upturned hull. > You then reach around with one hand and, bracing off the inverted hull, roll > up. I can't remember then name of that roll and called it "Under The Hull > Roll??" for now. Anyone? When I was doing it I called it the "Where-did-the-blasted-paddle-go-maybe-if-I-thrash-around-enough-i'll-find-it-if-not-Regan-will-probably-bow-rescue-me-again Roll" That may not be the official name. Regan did say that when I capsized the paddle would slide off my overturned stern with amazing speed. -- Steve Cramer *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
This is the roll where I get the most us of my storm paddle... "storm paddle option roll"? Steve Cramer wrote: > > Michael Daly wrote: > > > > The other [roll] I > > liked was the one where you lightly hold the paddle on the gunwale and > > capsize away from the paddle, causing it to roll up onto the upturned hull. > > You then reach around with one hand and, bracing off the inverted hull, roll > > up. I can't remember then name of that roll and called it "Under The Hull > > Roll??" for now. Anyone? > > When I was doing it I called it the > "Where-did-the-blasted-paddle-go-maybe-if-I-thrash-around-enough-i'll-find-it-if-not-Regan-will-probably-bow-rescue-me-again > Roll" That may not be the official name. > > Regan did say that when I capsized the paddle would slide off my > overturned stern with amazing speed. > > -- > Steve Cramer -- ø gabriel l romeu ø http://studiofurniture.com ø http://journalphoto.org ø http://kayakoutfitting.org *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
For a second year paddler, who rolled for the first time last weekend, these discussions frustrate me no end. I sure wish that we could include pictures, diagrams etc. on the list serve, so I could really follow just what you guys are saying. I find myself printing out the descriptions of the rolls and then lying on the floor on my back with my legs in the air doing all sorts of gyrations. My wife walked in and was ready to have me committed! She nailed her roll last year, without the living room floor simulations, and I have been trying to catch up ever since. John Blackburn (who was able to do a sweep roll three times in a row, after a few tries and expert help from a member of our club, then lost it, due in part to water filled sinuses, so I was rushing the sweep and not setting up correctly!) Gabriel L Romeu wrote: > This is the roll where I get the most us of my storm paddle... > > "storm paddle option roll"? > > Steve Cramer wrote: > > > > Michael Daly wrote: > > > > > > The other [roll] I > > > liked was the one where you lightly hold the paddle on the gunwale and > > > capsize away from the paddle, causing it to roll up onto the upturned hull. > > > You then reach around with one hand and, bracing off the inverted hull, roll > > > up. I can't remember then name of that roll and called it "Under The Hull > > > Roll??" for now. Anyone? > > > > When I was doing it I called it the > > "Where-did-the-blasted-paddle-go-maybe-if-I-thrash-around-enough-i'll-find-it-if-not-Regan-will-probably-bow-rescue-me-again > > Roll" That may not be the official name. > > > > Regan did say that when I capsized the paddle would slide off my > > overturned stern with amazing speed. > > > > -- > > Steve Cramer *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
This archive was generated by hypermail 2.4.0 : Thu Aug 21 2025 - 16:33:29 PDT