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From: Dave Gutierrez <newgooty_at_yahoo.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Stoves on Planes
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 20:34:40 -0700 (PDT)
Hello fellow PaddleWisers,

                                       I am leaving for a paddling trip in a couple of days and I would like to take my stove with me (for cooking).  I know that I cannot take the fuel, but is there a problem taking my stove in my checked luggage on the flight?

Dave

 



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From: <tfj4_at_attbi.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Stoves on Planes
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 08:13:22 -0500
Last summer I asked this question on the list and the answers were varied.
I will go through the drill all over again in August, when we fly another
bunch of scouts into Glacier for a week of backpacking.  For what it's
worth, in pre-9/11 days, there actually seemed to be confusion among airline
personnel as to the policy on transporting stoves or empty sepp bottles.
One of our adult leaders was eventually told that thoroughly cleaned and
dried stoves and bottles could be transported in checked luggage.  We used
"backpacking" stoves and air-dried the open bottles in the baking sun for a
day or so.  If you check with airlines, make sure the personnel know what
you're talking about.   Good luck and let the list know what current
policies prevail!

More recent air travel has not left me with a good feeling about the
security of flight checks.  On a recent flight to and from Ireland my
carry-on luggage attracted no scrutiny, despite the fact that my bag
contained half-a-dozen bungee cords with nasty looking hooks on the end.
Also inside my bag was a metal-clad opisometer (map measuring wheel thingie)
that to me has the outline of a derringer and that I was expecting to have
to explain and demonstrate to every guard I met.  Except for the x-ray
screening of the bag, which provoked no further examination, nobody looked
into my rather bulging carry-on.  Coming back into the US, after retrieving
my daughter's checked bag, we walked right out of the terminal onto the
street, with not a word of interrogation or scrutiny from US customs,
despite the fact that we had flown on Royal Jordanian airlines, most of the
other passengers being Arabs who originated in Amann with only a stopover in
Limerick.

Tom Joyce


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>                                        I am leaving for a paddling trip in
a couple of days and I would like to take my stove with me (for cooking).  I
know that I cannot take the fuel, but is there a problem taking my stove in
my checked luggage on the flight?
>



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From: Dana Dickson <danadickson_at_attbi.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Stoves on Planes
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 19:52:08 -0500
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Dave, 

Whether or not you are allowed to take the stoves and fuel containers on
a plane depends on the individual airlines, and perhaps gate agents,
interpretation of the federal regulations regarding hazardous substances
on passenger planes.

The bottom line on this issue, is that the captain of the airplane is,
like the sea captains of old, law unto himself.  Whether or not that
should be so would make an interesting debate, however, I doubt we will
settle the debate and get the rules changed in time for you to take the
stoves and bottles on a plane if the airline does not want to let you do
so.

FWIW the DOT regs on hazardous substances carried on passenger planes
are available on the net.
 
Dana
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