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From: Michael Noyes <mnoyes_at_gsinet.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] References: <F510iLQ4bdZ1lUxrMs4000029fe_at_hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 19:51:12 -0400
Kenneth Johnson wrote:

>Finally made the move to the Garmin GPSMAP 76.  Am debating what
>MapSource CD would offer the most shoreline detail:  I am more concerned
>with getting something that shows good shoreline detail (offshore islands
>and such) than good road detail.  Thanks for your help.....Ken
>
I use the Maptech Digital Chart Kit, it has all of the NOAA marine chart 
features (they scanned in the NOAA charts) in the water, but where the 
land begins they switch to the USGS Topo maps.  You get the best of 
both.  The chart kit also includes tide and current data and charting. 
 I like it.  

Mike

>


-- 
    Paddling along through fog so thick that only one's thoughts are 
visible, your reverie is abruptly shattered by the ancient cry of a great
blue heron as she lifts uncertainly from the brilliant blue of a 
mussel-shell beach witnessed only by the brooding, wet spruce....your
passage home seems as much back through time as it does through space.
Mark H Hunt



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From: Peter Staehling <staehpj1_at_yahoo.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] charts etc.
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 07:04:48 -0700 (PDT)
--- Michael Noyes <mnoyes_at_gsinet.net> wrote:
> I use the Maptech Digital Chart Kit, it has all of
> the NOAA marine chart 
> features (they scanned in the NOAA charts) in the
> water, but where the 
> land begins they switch to the USGS Topo maps.

You don't mean on the same chart do you?  There is
info on the land areas of the nautical charts that is
important to navigation so I wonder how they could do
this.

> You
> get the best of 
> both.  The chart kit also includes tide and current
> data and charting. 
>  I like it.  

I have resisted buying charts from them because they
are pretty expensive and I hate to pay again for
something that we as taxpayers paid for in the first
place.  Perhaps I am just a cheapskate.

My understanding is that anyone can scan the NOAA
charts and basically do anything they want with them,
legally.  It galls me to pay Maptech $200 for scans of
charts that are basically freely distributable,
especially since the charts were created at the
taxpayers expense to begin with.

So as a result I have downloaded the topos that I use
from topozone (free).  I have also pieced together
charts of the upper and middle bay from the Maptech
online charts (free).  All of this was time consuming
enough that I probably would have just bought them,
were it not for the feeling that it would be a ripoff.

I will probably do the rest of the bay sometime when I
have the time and patience to tackle the project.

It is my personal opinion that NOAA should distribute
them in a raster format (tiff, jpeg?) for free. 
Unfortunately my opinion is irrelevent on this matter.

BTW:  I find that Oziexplorer is a great tool for
creating waypoints and routes from electronic charts
and maps and getting them into the GPS.  OziCE also
works great on my iPaq.  I connect it to the GPS and
it works like a chart plotter.  I have not used OziCE
or the iPaq in my kayak though (I do use them in the
car and on the sailboat quite a bit).  I may do so in
camp on multiday kayak trips in the future.

Pete

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From: Shawn Baker <shawnkayak_at_yahoo.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] charts etc.
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 07:44:17 -0700 (PDT)
I don't have any objection to paying a reasonable fee--$16 seems a bit
much for charts when topos are only $4.

It's like paying a reasonable $2-5 launch fee at a public facility. 
There's no reason every taxpayer should pay to subsidize my full use of
the facility.  However, when my tax dollars ARE going into
construction, upkeep, and maintenance of a facility, I would rail at
having to pay the full value of my use, each time I use it.

I hate paying $12 for a National Park campsite.  Especially after I've
already paid the entrance fee, and my tax dollars go into NPS coffers.
NPS budgets have increased exponentially in the past decade, but
services haven't increased at the same rate--bureaucracy has.  In
Glacier NP near where I live, there used to be 2.5 winter
staffers...now there are close to 20--and the park is mostly closed
then.  I don't get it.

>It is my personal opinion that NOAA should distribute
>them in a raster format (tiff, jpeg?) for free. 

I agree--the free downloads at Mapserver are too low-rez.  I wouldn't
even object to a $5/map fee for a high-quality download.  Paying
someone $200 is too much for my hard-earned dollar, though.

>Unfortunately my opinion is irrelevent on this matter.

Singularly, maybe yes...but there are probably tens of thousands of
people who feel the same way we do.

It would torque me worse if I were a British citizen--even their tidal
harmonics are Crown property.  sheesh!

Shawn

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