RE: [Paddlewise] Paddling in Space

From: Rafael Mier Maza <sildriel_at_ciateq.net.mx>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 20:17:33 -0500
At 01:35 p.m. 25/07/02 -0400, Coplan, Karl wrote:
>Ron Dunnington writes:
>
>"A rocket engine does not push against anything
>except the rocket body and that is why it can operate with, or without an
>atmosphere, or, even in water. A paddle must have something to push against
>(more like a jet engine than a rocket), to be effective. "
>
>That's sort of my point.  Rocket engines work on Newtonian principles --
>very light particles of rocket exhaust accelerated to extreme speeds
>generates Newtonian thrust without anything to push "against."

I agree. Let me phrase it  in more Newtonian Terms. The rocket does not 
need any atmosphere to push against. The Newtonian momentum conservation 
principle states that if there are no external forces, then the rocket 
should maintain its momentum. Internal combustion is not an external force. 
So if particles move back very quickly due to combustion, the rocket must 
move forward a bit so that the center of mass of the system 
particles-rocket maintains its momentum. If large amounts of combustion 
particles come out fast, the rocket gains speed in the opposite direction 
but the center of mass stays as it was.

On the other hand paddling is like sticking a pole in the mud and pulling 
ourselves from it. There is an external force, or reference that the system 
uses to pull itself from. For an ideally perfect paddle , it would enter 
the water and stay right there. Then all the power would be transferred to 
move the kayak forward, against that fixed pole.
Paddles are not ideal and if they were would be too difficult to use when 
starting to accelerate. Since paddles leak some water and suffer some 
displacement from the entrance point, some energy is lost, but also may 
help the paddler if he doesn´t want to put all his strength or if he wants 
to save some energy in long tours. Stronger paddlers will want better grip 
in the water. Weaker fast stroking paddlers will want some leaking to allow 
them to give more strokes with less force, even at the expense of some 
energy loss.

Best Regards,

Rafael
el cayuco chief




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