At 11:38 PM -0700 7/26/02, Peter Chopelas wrote: ><snip> >Consider it this way, in an ideal world, if the amount of drag you push >against at the shaft is exactly equal to the amount of forward thrust you >get out of it, you would have 100 percent hydrodynamic paddle efficiency. >This is ignoring the efficiency of the human "machine" of course because we >just want to compare energy input at the handle, to the forward thrust >output. This also ignores the energy it takes to raise and lower the paddle >since we want to compare the hydrodynamic efficiency, not the mechanical >efficiency. A paddle that weighs the same, with the same inertia and >stiffness, will have the same mechanical efficiency [and a paddle with zero >weight, and infinite stiffness, is 100 percent mechanically efficient]. ><snip> >Since the efficiency we are looking for is the power-out (i.e. thrust) >divided by the power-in (resistance at the paddle handle) we have to convert >these forces (in lbs. for example) to units of power by multiplying them by >the velocity of the paddle blade through the water. So the equation will >reduce to the following: > > efficency=P-out/P-in = TxV/DxV = T/D since the velocity cancels > >substituting the above relationships in we get the following: > > Efficency= [S(Ct(rho)V^2)/2]/[S(Cd(rho)V^2)/2] Thrust and drag are both forces. They are not power. The amount of force you apply to the paddle is exactly matched by the amount of force generated by the water on the paddle. It is impossible to push with 1 pound of force and have what you are pushing against push back at with 1/2 or 2 pounds of force. The forces must be equal and opposite. If they aren't equal there must be something wrong with your analysis. In the above equation for efficiency you incorporate the velocity. This presumably converts the force to power. However, you drop it immediately, saying the velocities cancel. This leaves an equation where efficiency is the ratio of two opposing forces "T" and "D". That ratio is always going to be 1. If it is not, there would have to be some outside force acting on the paddle, not just the paddler and the water. While drag through the air would work, in your analysis there is no third force, only the force applied by the paddler (Thrust), and the force caused by the water (Drag). Your equation depends on two opposing forces being different. That is a physical impossibility. I must assume that it is incorrect to cancel out the velocities. Since the power applied by the paddler is near the center of the paddle and the power applied by the water is near the end of the blades, I don't know why the velocities involved would be the same. -- Nick Schade Guillemot Kayaks 824 Thompson St Glastonbury, CT 06033 (860) 659-8847 *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************Received on Mon Jul 29 2002 - 06:28:19 PDT
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