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From: Mike O'Byrne <Heep_at_attbi.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Glue
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:39:57 -0500
Tom, I'll be very interested in your temporary glue/velcro results! I have a
Pygmy Coho with the velcro patches for the seat pads and they become unglued
frequently! Duct tape! Argh!  :-)    Mike O'Byrne

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From: Tom LeTourneau <tletourn_at_maine.rr.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Glue
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:06:20 -0400
I've heard that there are at least two kinds of velcro stick-on strips: 
your basic, every-day variety, and your heavy-duty, marine kind. Though 
I've not yet used either of these for boat applications, I understand at 
least one reputable company, Current Designs, uses velcro to hold up their 
under-the-deck Pica Boo Bag. Might be wrong about that, though.

Just yesterday I installed a Harmony seat pad on top of the fiberglass seat 
of my Gulfstream. Before laying it down, I cut out donut-sized, neoprene 
circles (with holes cut out just like a donut), then glued those on the 
seat. One donut for each bone (ischium) to the sides of my tailbone 
(coccyx), and one for the coccyx. The Harmony pad went on top of the 
donuts. The donuts were cut out from 1/16 inch stick-on neoprene, and I 
doubled each of them. So... you have in order of layer: fiberglass seat, 
three donuts for high pressure areas (each donut about 1/8 inch thick), 
then the harmony seat pad.

So far it feels good. Time will tell.

If I had a wooden kayak with all the time invested in making it beautiful, 
I might consider crafting a seat out of 3 inch closed cell foam... carving 
dimples for my butt, etc. Make some thigh pads out of the same stuff.Glue 
those suckers to the bottom and sides of your boat (after careful 
adjustment), then install a thick back band (like Bomber Gear's). Some of 
the folks here at Paddlewise will point you to the web site that gives 
precise instructions on customizing your seat and pads.

Pardon the mention of brand names. Am not associated with any of those 
companies. :)... and good luck. See you on the water!


At 08:39 AM 7/11/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>Tom, I'll be very interested in your temporary glue/velcro results! I have a
>Pygmy Coho with the velcro patches for the seat pads and they become unglued
>frequently! Duct tape! Argh!  :-)    Mike O'Byrne
>

Tom LeTourneau
Wells, Maine


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From: Shawn Baker <shawnkayak_at_yahoo.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Glue
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:55:59 -0700 (PDT)
"Mike O'Byrne" <Heep_at_attbi.com> wrote:
>I have a Pygmy Coho with the velcro patches for the seat pads and they
become unglued frequently! 

I've had a hard time keeping velcro contact-cemented to the epoxy/glass
bottom of the bilge in my wood boats.  I finally epoxied in the velcro
in that spot.  With good prep, and two coats of contact cement on the
velcro/minicell, I've had good adhesion, even in the usually-wet bilge.

Shawn

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From: Alex Ferguson <a.ferguson_at_chem.canterbury.ac.nz>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Glue (removeable seats)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:32:03 +1200
At 03:55 pm 11/07/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>"Mike O'Byrne" <Heep_at_attbi.com> wrote:
> >I have a Pygmy Coho with the velcro patches for the seat pads and they
>become unglued frequently!

>[Shawn]
>I've had a hard time keeping velcro contact-cemented to the epoxy/glass
>bottom of the bilge in my wood boats.  I finally epoxied in the velcro
>in that spot.  With good prep, and two coats of contact cement on the
>velcro/minicell, I've had good adhesion, even in the usually-wet bilge.

We use webbing, screwed to blocks just under the deck, down to a central 
bolted loop in the centre of the bulkhead just above the keel and then the 
two lead forward over the top of the seat pad to a Fastex buckle with a 
short piece of webbing srewed/sandwiched in a wooden block at the front 
edge of the seat. Stops the seat moving forward and the webbing/Fastex 
buckle holds everything down.

So, from one corner of the cockpit under the deck, down to the keel (holds 
the seat back), forward to the front of the seat, back to the back of the 
seat and up to the other corner under the deck. One piece of the Fastex 
buckle "floats" on this loop, the other is on the short piece fastened to 
the keel in front of the seat.

This means the seat is firmly positioned but can be totally removed to 
allow cleaning of the cockpit and drying of the seat and back pads. Also 
means that if there are other users they can have their custom seat pads.

As the seat is held down the middle you won't "feel" it when sitting on it.

Alex
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