Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 20:42:21 +1100 From: "PeterO" <rebyl_kayak_at_iprimus.com.au> Subject: [Paddlewise] FW: Hawkesbury Classic - Long Night Paddle Vaughan wrote: - >For PeterO or anyone with an opinion: >I'm having some difficulty translating >weight training to kayaking. What sort >of work in the gym did you find most useful? Peter replied: <snip> < If you want to train for speed it seems as if kayaking into the wind was helpful just like Doug' suggested a few months back. There's experienced kayakers on this list could give more professional advice though, All the best, PeterO> Do you mean there are other paddlers on the list who could give better advise than mine, or did you mean better advice than what was in your post written by you!? :-) Well, I know what you mean. I'm not sure who on our list would be at the coaching level for weight training, or what they might say with respect to the application for touring/racing, etc. I do know that for many paddlers, weight training just isn't tremendously applicable in their view. For Olympic _sprinters_, I know they weight train and do a lot of chin-bar pull-ups -- and do various renditions of pull-up like exercises to build core strength and upper body strength, and give them that dynamic to spring forward past the competition. You can also spot, often, the bigger, stronger paddlers on the river in their WW kayaks. They seem to do so much more than the smaller guys. More tricks, more play, more fun. I also know that folks who do heavy weight lifting as a life style, while strong to some degree, are not necessarily fit or have a lot of endurance for long-distance stuff. Seems to me, most paddlers want over-all fitness, with some reserve potential for getting through surf, punching through eddy-lines, and maneuvering quickly and powerfully for rescues, etc. I think your answer to Vaughan as far as what you are doing (did) to prepare for long-distance racing was as good as any professional advice, no matter how self-referential the advice was. My normal routine in previous years (I'm all screwed up this year as far as my "program" is concerned, after attendant maladies) is to train with heavier weights in the fall through to just before spring. I go a little heavier and slower (10 to 12 reps as opposed to 12 to 15 the rest of the year) which helps build overall strength and mass. In spring and summer I go less weight and more reps, as implied above - say 3 sets of 15 reps, first one light (as a warm-up), second set with good form and not too much resistance to the point of moderate exhaustion, then the third to exhaustion (not me, but the muscle group being worked, and still not too heavy, slowing down to maintain form). Switch routines every 6 weeks or so. Going really, really heavy always feels more like a real workout, but also causes a ton of injuries if done incorrectly, and leads to hypertrophy -- which is fine if you want to look big at the beach, and is in fact the aim of most bodybuilders. I don't race competitively, but would use weight training in conjunction with other high-output circuit training if I were to pursue that activity (I don't think I was born with enough fast-twitch muscle fiber to be truly fast, nor the tendon clearance to avoid impingement's). For me, interval training works best in order to increase output, and this is normally done in later winter and early spring in anticipation of the longer paddling season forthcoming and as a pre-trip conditioning methodology. Interval training has to be monitored for effectiveness. I paddle hard and fast until exhaustion after a few minutes, then back off, and I mean back off. You need to come back down adequately again. The idea (I'm sure this is review for many of you in PW land) is to get your body to increase the threshold where you are operating aerobically, instead of anaerobically (i think I have the term stated correctly). With good training, you can go from 60% to 70%, and even 80% if you are dedicated enough. Burning up muscle tissue is just plain silly. With good training, long distance endurance is benefited greatly. You do need a good anaerobic system for punching out through surf and stuff, but it usually doesn't need to be sustained -- well, not usually. The spring where I got into trouble off the Storm Islands was a good example of adequate endurance and reserve that was more serendipitous than planned. Due to the really awful winter preceding that fateful spring, there were wind storms on the island here almost every weak (no kidding). I was out constantly, going for hours at a time, sometimes being blown backwards, but never not reaching intended destinations. I was weight lifting at the time (not free weights at that point), rowing at the gym, and was following a daily stretching routine at work on break times. I was practicing "rest and recovery" both with my lifting regime and paddling. I was able to maintain a fast pace, towing an increasingly incapacitated paddler, for 6 hours in gale-force conditions on the open sea. The other two paddlers would have "expired" long before I'd have packed it in (if it were not for the CG rescue). The point is, I wasn't "racing-fast," but I was able to maintain a very reliable, quick cruising speed, while towing, in heavy air-sea conditions against wind and tide. More importantly, the sequences of rafting up, breaking rafts, turning the kayak back into the wind, and punching through breaking seas, would not have been as possible without the prior, manifold conditioning. And this is the point I'm really trying to make and the reason I drag some of this old garbage up -- think possible scenarios, anticipate worst-case scenarios, and train for the what-ifs at least to some degree. "Muscling" your boat around after a long paddle is going to take a certain kind of muscle, mental, and maneuverability strength. Are you ready? I think Duane did some weight training prior to some of his long crossings. While scientifically, it may be difficult to correlate weight training to kayaking, in practice, I know few who regret it. Strength training would seem to benefit blood flow, oxygen exchange in the tissue, and joint strength. Connective tissue, if weight training is done correctly and not too heavy, really round-out a good paddlers abilities to deal with emergencies, avoid dislocations, and just plain give you the athleticism needed that paddling alone doesn't always provide. I know we all do different kinds of paddling -- some on rivers, some of flat estuaries, some in rec boats on summer lakes, and some just for pure fitness or racing (with its own exact training adherence). From my perspective, a good open-water paddler needs a variety of strengths, and only good training specificity, combined with a lot of paddling is going to achieve that end. Are you ready? PS I only really know what works for me, and I'm rambling again. Doug Lloyd *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Paddlewisers, I am a strong supporter of weight/circuit and yoga training for sea kayakers. More important than helping to improve speed and endurance for paddling, it also helps prevent injuries and soreness, and speeds recovery from injuries, if done right. Also, in sea kayaking there is a lot of physical exertion on land, doing things such as carrying kayaks and gear up and down the beach and hiking, which the weights can help more with than just paddling. The weights and yoga work a lot of muscles that really aren't worked that much in paddling and provide more balanced physical fitness. Duane www.rollordrown.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Peter wrote >110 km is a hellova long way. Were there many sea >kayak entrants? How many start and how many finish? Doug' wrote >Do you mean there are other paddlers on the list >who could give better advise than mine, or did >you mean better advice than what was in your >post written by you!? :-) >Well, I know what you mean. Duane wrote >I am a strong supporter of weight/circuit and yoga >training for sea kayakers. More important than helping >to improve speed and endurance for paddling, it also >helps prevent injuries and soreness, G'Day Doug, Peter, Duane and all the others who replied Glad you understood Doug' I made good use of your advice about paddling into the wind - put my unintentional ambiguity down to low blood sugar! Thats my excuse:~). Thank heavens for chocolate coated toffees and sports drink! Maybe they should be part of an emergency kit. After a certain point of exhaustion regular food just doesn't work for me. I have to admire the people who completed the race in one sitting especially the first timers. Especially the ones in canoes! Regarding the statistics Peter I don't know exactly but I think there were about 450boats and I suspect about 20 or 30 may have dropped out. The web site for details is http://www.canoeclassic.asn.au/ As for the number of seakayaks a rough guess would be that there were about 150. A lot of Mirages enter this race as they pride themselves on being a very fast sea kayak and its the one time of the year when I am tempted to trade in my Pittarak for a Mirage. I came last in our team but got them an extra point by finishing. Duane, my experience in that race 100% supports what you say - there was hardly any stiffness/soreness and no injuries. All the best, PeterO *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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