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From: Shawn Baker <shawnkayak_at_yahoo.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Waterproof Headlamps
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:52:23 -0800 (PST)
Did a little research after Doug suggested that the Princeton Tec
headlamps are waterproof.

Both the Princeton Tec Solo (2 AA) and Vortec (4 AA) headlamps are
waterproof to 500'.

The Pelican Heads Up (4 AA) is also waterproof to 500' and while it
protrudes a bit more than the PT lamps...has a vertically adjustable
head.

Guess I ought to buy one or more of the above...and some cable ties! ;)

Not sure if I want to night storm paddle....but a helmet is less likely
to fall off your head than a headlamp...and is easier to attach cable
ties to than my face!  Or, I could go low-tech and fasten a chinstrap!

Shawn

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From: Strosaker <strosaker_at_cox.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Waterproof Headlamps
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:44:53 -0800
Everyone,





I hate to continuously be the equipment critic on this list, but the battery
compartment of my Princeton Tec Solo leaks, even though it is supposed to be
waterproof to a depth of a whole bunch of feet, much deeper than my kayaks
ever go. Maybe it is the harsh environment down here is Southern California
;^).





Duane Strosaker





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From: Doug Lloyd <dougl_at_islandnet.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Waterproof Headlamps
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 01:54:29 -0800
Shawn said:

> Did a little research after Doug suggested that the Princeton Tec
headlamps are waterproof. Both the Princeton Tec Solo (2 AA) and Vortec (4
AA) headlamps are  waterproof to 500'. The Pelican Heads Up (4 AA) is also
waterproof to 500' and while it protrudes a bit more than the PT lamps...has
a vertically adjustable  head.<

After my last post I assembled my new Prezl "Zoom" to my red Predator surf
helmet. It didn't secure too well with the cable ties. I then ran the whole
thing under running water. A quick check revealed moisture in the battery
pack, with hints of moisture in the bezel. Come Sunday after church, a calm
ocean turned completely ferocious, with hurricane force winds on both
straits. I freted for awhile, then unsnipped the Prezl and returned it to
the store, replacing it with the waterproof Princeton Tec "vor tec" (4
AA's). They didn't believe me at the store that the "Zoom" leaked. I opened
the battery pack (I had to keep the 4.5v pack), and water sprinkled out.
Nice way to return a product, eh? "Yes sir, I did some home testing you
see!"

The Princeton Tec unit has a rubberized pad on the front behind the hard
plastic, and along with a few cable ties run through some small holes
drilled strategically in the surf helmet, it appeared to be a very secure
set-up. It protrudes very little, and once the surf helmet is worn over a
friction-fit surf hood, the helmet looses the front-heavy feel. I'm going to
leave it permanently mounted on the helmet for evening rough-water paddling;
it will also be a back-up headlamp for multiday trips on the open coast --
as I always take the helmet on my back deck. Early evening lee-shore
landings and pre-dawn departures should be a little less traumatic for me
now with this set-up.

I had also looked into the flashlight holders that mount waterproof
handhelds to helmets, but they didn't look too effective for easy on-off
convenience (switching off, etc) like an up-front headlamp. The Pelican is a
bit bulky. Some say it isn't waterproof, but rather water resistant. We will
have to see over time how it rates and hold up. It looks like a good use of
technology; and the ratchet system would hold the setting in place better
than the other products on the market, though the PT headlamps are easy to
dial in the tension with a Philips screwdriver occasionaly. I like the
rubber banding option, which would stay on helmets a bit better.

I'll replace the housing in my Princeton Tec "Solo" with the replacement LED
arrangement, which will be great for camp chores and in-tent reading. The
regular bulbs leave a disturbing pattern emited on to reading material, and
the halogen option just burns-out the battery too fast. I might have done
things differently if I had to do it all over again and could only buy one
headlamp. Like I said in a previous post, there are high performance
headlamps out there. I mentioned NightHawk as one of them. This was an
error. I meant to say NightRider. Check it out man. While the cheaper
waterproof version is gone from the lineup, the scuba diving units are out
of this world:

http://www.niterider.com/

While I'd love to get my hands on the NightRider stuff for serious evening
padding excursions and beach-finding from the cockpit (and for
cycling/mountain biking), the Princeton Tec stuff gives me reasonable
performance at a reasonable price. Of course, the NightRider uses
high-intensity discharge (HID) bulb technology that produces equivalent
light of a conventional 50-watt bulb at a full-spectrum 6,000 color temp
which is close to sunlight (the system uses a minature ballast). While
nighttime storm paddling might be dangerous, my wife would kill me, for
certain, I bought NightRider lights.

You also said:

>Guess I ought to buy one or more of the above...and some cable ties! ;)
Not sure if I want to night storm paddle....but a helmet is less likely to
fall off your head than a headlamp...and is easier to attach cable  ties to
than my face!  Or, I could go low-tech and fasten a chinstrap!<

Those with rings pierced  into their noses, lips, and cute cheeks like
yours, would be at an advantage for using cable ties. Also,check out the
NightRider accessories. They even have a neo headband and helmet mount:

http://www.niteriderdive.com/accessories.htm

Then Duane said:

>I hate to continuously be the equipment critic on this list, but the
battery compartment of my Princeton Tec Solo leaks, even though it is
supposed to be waterproof to a depth of a whole bunch of feet, much deeper
than my kayaks
ever go. Maybe it is the harsh environment down here is Southern California
;^).<

I've never had a problem. I do perform occasional maintenance, and I'd
remind folks that Princeton Tec guarantees their product for life. YMMV.
Maybe Duane drilled a hole in his by accident :-) I do know that the
on-mechanism of the PT headlamps get a pit "sticky" after a lot of use,
according to my caving buddies.

I had said:
> night surfing...night-storm paddling... with my headlamp light off,<

Bob said:
> Doug, All the world is crazy except me and thee and sometimes I wonder
about thee.<

Well, the Californian who invented the NightRider lights did so in part to
extend his evenind board surfing time. As far as turning the headlamp off,
if that is the concern, check out my night-storm paddle post. If it is just
the fact that night paddling in hazardous circumstances seems crazy, well,
you get no arguments from my wife. As far as hazardous is concerned though,
just the fact of living in the USA is hazardous enough!  :-) Of course,
living causes death. Life is terminal. Live large 'till you go. Just
remember to carry lots of life insurance.

Doug Lloyd
Victoria BC Canada - where the only thing dead is our Prime Minister.

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From: Doug Lloyd <dougl_at_islandnet.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Waterproof Headlamps
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:51:36 -0800
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Try any Caving supply depot for direct hands-on comparison/review/purchase.
You can also do a Google search and come up with more hits than imaginable,
I would imagine. Prices vary widely, so go with cheaper if you trust on-line
shopping. Here in BC, we outdoor types get most of our gear from MEI (a
co-op retailer) which offers significant savings, and ships cheap -- usually
the next day. Perhaps you have something similar in your area. The Pelican
Heads Up is harder to get, as stock isn't keeping up with demand in some
cases.

So, planning to do a little night paddling over to Cuba, or maybe some Gulf
night hurricane-paddling :-)

Doug Lloyd
Victoria BC

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Hebert" <seacajun_at_gs.net>
Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Waterproof Headlamps

> Does any have any websites re; info /purchase of stated headlamps
> Thanks
>
> > Shawn said:
> >
> > > Did a little research after Doug suggested that the Princeton Tec
> > headlamps are waterproof. Both the Princeton Tec Solo (2 AA) and Vortec
> > (4AA) headlamps are  waterproof to 500'. The Pelican Heads Up (4 AA) is
> also
> > waterproof to 500' and while it protrudes a bit more than the PT
> lamps...has
> > a vertically adjustable  head.<
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