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From: firefly <firefly_at_eatel.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] RedoingDeckFittings
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:53:17 -0600
I saw an article in the recent Sea Kayaker Magazine about replacing some of
the bungee cord deck fittings on your boat with more durable straps. I think
my VCP Avocet is a prime candidate for this type of upgrade. The smart Brits
who made the boat have underdeck protection where the screws go in. Here's
my question: What types of strapping materials, and when I install them, do
I need to make tiny grommets to keep the material from tearing? They'd have
to be really small grommets. Or, can I just screw the screws right through
the straps? If I do that, wouldn't the material eventually wear away at the
attachment points? Thanks, Marsanne
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From: John Fereira <jaf30_at_cornell.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] RedoingDeckFittings
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 08:18:33 -0500
At 11:53 AM 12/31/02 -0600, firefly wrote:
>I saw an article in the recent Sea Kayaker Magazine about replacing some of
>the bungee cord deck fittings on your boat with more durable straps. I think
>my VCP Avocet is a prime candidate for this type of upgrade. The smart Brits
>who made the boat have underdeck protection where the screws go in. Here's
>my question: What types of strapping materials, and when I install them, do
>I need to make tiny grommets to keep the material from tearing? They'd have
>to be really small grommets. Or, can I just screw the screws right through
>the straps? If I do that, wouldn't the material eventually wear away at the
>attachment points? Thanks, Marsanne

You can buy a grommet maker to do this. It's a little kit that consists of 
a small metal tube with one end sharpened for making the holes,  a tool 
consisting of two parts for installing the grommet, and a bunch of brass 
grommets.  Should cost about $12.

However, I just put the screws through the straps.  I figure even if it 
eventually does wear through the webbing is real cheap and replacing it 
ever couple of years isn't a big deal.  The trick, however is to make a 
hole in the webbing using a soldering iron.  That makes a nice round hole 
with the edges melted and keeps it from fraying.

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From: <FoldingBoats_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] RedoingDeckFittings
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 13:15:24 EST
In a message dated 1/2/2003 8:22:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
jaf30_at_cornell.edu writes:

> ... However, I just put the screws through the straps.  I figure even if it 
> eventually does wear through the webbing is real cheap and replacing it 
> ever couple of years isn't a big deal.  The trick, however is to make a 
> hole in the webbing using a soldering iron.  That makes a nice round hole 
> with the edges melted and keeps it from fraying. ...

I have very negative experience with grommets in webbing straps under any 
significant loads: The holes for the grommets reduce the effective 
(loadbearing) width of the webbing straps, causing the grommets to tear out. 
I did experiment with melted holes, but found that this only improves the 
situation partially. 

I have had best success not using grommets at all, instead opening the weave 
of the strap with an awl (or marlinespike) without damaging it. I routinely 
(pop and straight) rivet webbing straps and also screw them to surfaces 
(mostly wood), underlaying the (brass!) screws with (brass!) washers (from 
the same section of the hardware store) -- round head screws work with 
regular flat washers, I prefer countersunk screw heads and the specialized 
washers that go with them for this type of application. Stainless screws will 
work, of course, if you can find them in the appropriate size and shape at a 
decent price.

Best regards,
Ralph

Ralph C. Hoehn
Ralph_at_Atlatl-Kayaks.com / Ralph_at_PouchBoats.com
www.Atlatl-Kayaks.com / www.PouchBoats.com
phone: +1-203-324-0901

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