Re: [Paddlewise] H-L Composite vs. V-B Composite

From: Nick Schade <nick_at_guillemot-kayaks.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 11:49:25 -0500
Everything else being equal a heavier boat should be stronger than a  
light boat. But, everything else is rarely equal. Because of this  
weight is a poor indicator of strength.

I agree that the more-gelcoat-is-better philosophy is misguided. All  
more gelcoat does is provide a better looking finish without print  
through and it acts as an ablative layer that you can grind away at for  
a while before doing any real structural damage. Otherwise it is just  
brittle and as such may promote early cracking which may propagate into  
real damage later on.

A careful hand-lay up of high quality materials can be almost as light  
and strong as vacuum bagging. What causes problems is when the layup is  
sloppy or glass-mat is used in the layup. This will add stiffness and  
weight and even strength, but it will not contribute as quickly to  
strength as it does to the weight. The stiffness will make it brittle.  
A good quality layup is more labor intensive than a sloppy  one so it  
will cost more. If you want to build cheap, I guess going heavy with  
materials will be the quickest way to get it strong. Materials cost  
less than quality labor.
Nick

On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 11:15 AM, Shawn Baker wrote:

> Hi Doug,
>
> What makes a hand-laid kayak stiffer than a vacuum-bagged boat?
>
> Extra resin.
>
> Why not a VB'ed boat with extra glass that is the same weight as the
> aforementioned hand-laid kayak....much more stiffness _and_ more
> strength.   And only slightly more cost.
>
> Resin is more brittle than glass.  Resin is much more brittle than
> Kevlar, diolene, or polyester cloths.  If it were practical, I'd VB my
> wooden hulls...it's highly practical to VB a molded glass hull.
>
> I love the Brit's designs, but I don't buy the more-gelcoat-is-better,
> more-resin-is-better mentality.  More cloth is better.  Resin is just
> the matrix for holding the cloth together. :)
>
> Shawn
>
>> I still like hand-laid kayaks, as they tend to be fairly stiff, if a
>> bit heavier than bagged boats. And as far as galling of plastic kayak
>> hulls, aluminium galls badly too.

Nick Schade

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