I'm considering buying a used folding single kayak for a longer trip this summer flying into Alaska, then selling it afterwards (unless I end up liking it so well, I just add it to the collection!). Does anyone have any suggestions where I should look to find one and what a reasonable price would be, assuming it's in decent shape. Can you generally take it on an airline as regular baggage or do the airlines charge extra? Any info would be much appreciated. Evan Dallas Woodinville, Washington *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Dallas" <Evan_Dallas_at_notes.ntrs.com> > I'm considering buying a used folding single kayak for a longer trip this > summer flying into Alaska, then selling it afterwards (unless I end up > liking it so well, I just add it to the collection!). If you are looking for one for a longer trip, then you pretty much are down to just a handful of models. Feathercraft K-1; Klepper Aerius I; Nautiraid Raid 1 or Greenlander; Foldingcraft (Fujita) 480 or 500; Pouch E65. These all offer decent or better performance and good carrying capacity. > Does anyone have any > suggestions where I should look to find one and what a reasonable price > would be, assuming it's in decent shape. Try Ebay. My newsletter has ads but I am behind on getting it out and I give first crack to the new ones to my subscribers. However, once they have had a shot at the ads, I do make them freely available to others. I can send you the latest earlier ad page; the ads are free and so people don't always tell me when a boat is sold. Reasonable price? Folding kayaks don't depreciate all that fast or steeply. For example, a Feathercraft K-1 that is 2 years old might go for around $3,400 compared to the new price of around $4K. Same range for the Klepper of like age. A boat a half dozen years old of one of these would go for the high $2K range. The other models mentioned go new for around $2,200 to about $2,800. Depreciation is proportionate to the above ranges. So a 2-year old Nautiraid that sold originally for $2,300 might go for around $1,900 or so. There in may lie a solution for you, buy new and sell at a price that would make your effective cost not all that bad. > Can you generally take it on an > airline as regular baggage or do the airlines charge extra? Any info would > be much appreciated. They go as regular baggage with no extra charge, except that you may wind up exceeding weight or number of bag limits and then you get charged. There has been some crackdown since 9-11 by the airlines in terms of generous on letting stuff go through in terms of dimensions and weights. It is hard to tell what an airline might do; stress that it is sports equipment and that generally helps as they do not want to discourage recreational travel too much. You might want to go for models that fit in one bag. Those are the Feathercraft and Foldingcraft singles. Other models use 2 bags per boat. Foldingcraft has a nice weight for its full sized singles...about a dozen pounds lighter than the Feathercraft K-1. ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
[Moderator's Note: Content unaltered. Excessive quoting (i.e. headers/footers/sig lines/extraneous text from previous posts, etc.) have been removed. Please edit quoted material in addition to removing header/trailers when replying to posts.] Try http://folbot.com they have a nice bulletin board with a buy/sell/trade page. 73 Gary At 11:15 AM 2/25/03 -0800, Evan Dallas wrote: >I'm considering buying a used folding single kayak for a longer trip this >summer flying into Alaska, then selling it afterwards (unless I end up >liking it so well, I just add it to the collection!). Does anyone have any >suggestions where I should look to find one and what a reasonable price >would be, assuming it's in decent shape. Can you generally take it on an >airline as regular baggage or do the airlines charge extra? Any info would >be much appreciated. > >Evan Dallas Gary Pewitt N9ZSV gpewitt_at_execpc.com 6120 W. Calumet Rd. Apt 204 Milwaukee, WI 53223-4132 Sturgeon's Law "90% of everything is crap" *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> > Try http://folbot.com they have a nice bulletin board with a > buy/sell/trade page. > > 73 Gary They don't allow to advertise anything but Folbots (gear of other brands is sometimes OK). I am not sure which Folbot then could be considered and "expedition" boat. Aleut is too small, Yukon is short, wide and probably slow, Greenland is double. May be Kodiak. Or Yukon. Alex. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Slow is a pretty relative term. While an Aleut may be slower in still water it may be faster in rougher water due to the stability and lack of need to brace. The superior tracking can be a big advantage too. I don't know of another folder that I would be more comfortable in or feel safer in than my Kodiak. I have had five Folbots and currently have three. I traveled all over England and fairly extensively in the states and have never found the Folbots to be lacking in any way. And I can buy two of them new for the price of a used Feathercraft. Mind you I'm not knocking Feathercraft or Klepper. It's just that I don't think they are worth two or three times as much money. And -no one- can beat Folbot's guarantee. Am I biased? Possibly. But five winners in a row are enough to convince me. Best wishes Gary At 05:12 PM 2/26/03 -0800, al.m wrote: > > > > Try http://folbot.com they have a nice bulletin board with a > > buy/sell/trade page. > > > > 73 Gary > >They don't allow to advertise anything but Folbots (gear of other brands is >sometimes OK). I am not sure which Folbot then could be considered and "expedition" boat. Aleut is too small, Yukon is short, wide and probably slow, Greenland is double. May be Kodiak. Or Yukon. Alex. Big snip --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 2/13/03 *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Gary wrote: - >Mind you I'm not knocking Feathercraft or Klepper. >It's just that I don't think they are worth two >or three times as much money. And -no one- can >beat Folbot's guarantee. G'Day, Paddling around Gallipoli two years ago we hired Kleppers and a Folbot. Some of the travel was by tractor and cart with assembled boats loaded in the back. The fittings on the Folbot did get damaged and caused some inconvenience. The Kleppers were fine. I think the Klepper is more robustly built as far as fittings are concerned. I don't have much experience with the Klepper warranty. Used it once to glue down a reinforcing strip of hypalon. All the best, PeterO *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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