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From: Castle, Rob <Rob.Castle_at_mail.house.gov>
subject: [Paddlewise] Cold Water Clothing
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:02:27 -0500
Hello All,

I have a question regarding cold water/weather clothing and here it is:
If I were wearing a farmer john style wetsuit, water proof socks, mid calf
booties with a good outer sole, and a paddling or splash top, gloves, etc.,
would it be appropriate to wear a "core layer" garment under the farmer john
or over it? I am trying to decide on acceptable late spring gear for the
purposes of taking the training I want and starting earlier than June or
July!!
Advice always welcomed,

Rob Castle
 
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From: al.m <al.m_at_3web.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Cold Water Clothing
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:40:15 -0800
> If I were wearing a farmer john style wetsuit, water proof socks, mid calf
> booties with a good outer sole, and a paddling or splash top, gloves,
etc.,
> would it be appropriate to wear a "core layer" garment under the farmer
john
> or over it? I am trying to decide on acceptable late spring gear for the
> purposes of taking the training I want and starting earlier than June or
> July!!

Assuming water is cold enough (lets say 55F or 10C), you may try a synthetic
fleece jacket or pullover of medium weight (Polartec 200, for ex) over a
Farmer John.  You might not be able to squeeze much insulation between FJ
and your body.
Alex.


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From: FICS PE Department - Steve Dent <fics_peteacher_at_hotmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Cold Water Clothing
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:04:00 -0300
I paddle in the Falkland Islands with a water temp of about 4C.  I wear a
3mm full wetsuit with a fleece over the top.  I also wear a water/wind proof
cag over that.  I nevr wear waterproof trousers but wear thick neoprene
socks and old trainers (I find the shoes uncomfortable!).  On very cold days
I wear Pogies or neoprene gloves.  I stay quite warm. If the conditions are
rough I also wear my neoprene 'gimp' hood (very attractive!!!)  I am a
rather well built paddler and couldn't squezze a tissue paper between me and
my wetsuit!!!

Hope that helps

Steve Dent
> I have a question regarding cold water/weather clothing and here it is:
> If I were wearing a farmer john style wetsuit, water proof socks, mid calf
> booties with a good outer sole, and a paddling or splash top, gloves,
etc.,
> would it be appropriate to wear a "core layer" garment under the farmer
john
> or over it? I am trying to decide on acceptable late spring gear for the
> purposes of taking the training I want and starting earlier than June or
> July!!
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From: Steve Brown <steve_at_brown-web.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Cold Water Clothing
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:24:12 -0800
My opinion:
Under it. The under garment helps close the gap between you and the
Farmer John, slowing the exchange of water with the outside. Because
this garment traps water, it provides additional insulation in the form
of a still water barrier. This is because water can only come from the
"edges". If you put the garment on the outside, you expose the whole
porous surface to water exchange, and will likely see only negligible
benefit.
I rarely use farmer Johns anymore, but when I do, I put porous layers
underneath, and water/windproof layers on the outside. I used a dry top
over farmer johns last summer up in Washington and a deliberate swim
revealed that it was adequate protection for short term immersion. My
wife, who cools much faster than me, did the same and also found it
adequate (but not comfortable)

             Steve Brown


-----Original Message-----

Hello All,

I have a question.......would it be appropriate to wear a "core layer"
garment under the farmer john or over it? .........

Rob Castle



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