> With out the back band, I slide around in the seat. The band is > forward on the seat. I get in, move my thighs to the thigh braces, > bring the feet to the foot peddles. Then I raise the back band up to > the small of my back. Locks me in, Tight! Pete, I used to like being locked in tight in the cockpit. However, as I developed my torso rotation and started pumping my legs for a more effective forward stroke, I realized that for sea kayaking, it is better to be a bit loose. Sure, for white water and surf, it is better to be tight, but not for sea kayaking, where a more effective forward stroke is necessary. Duane *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> > >Pete, > >I used to like being locked in tight in the cockpit. However, as I developed >my torso rotation and started pumping my legs for a more effective forward >stroke, I realized that for sea kayaking, it is better to be a bit loose. >Sure, for white water and surf, it is better to be tight, but not for sea >kayaking, where a more effective forward stroke is necessary. > >Duane > > Thanks, I will have to try it. Right now I am nursing a sore tail bone, and hurts to sit down. Sitting in a kayak is out of the question for a few more weeks. Safe Paddling -- Pete Cragg Scoutmaster Troop 889 *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 3/6/01 11:43:55 AM, SNStone_at_email.msn.com writes: << I am looking for a new/better backband for my Romany and Romany Explorer. Wondered if anyone has experience with the Bomber Gear Backband? thanks, sid >> Hi Sid, I have one on my Explorer. It's OK, but the best solution I've seen to date was to rip off the backband altogether and build up a foam back support with a radiused top so you can still layback. As soon as my second boat comes in, that's what my Explorer is headed towards. At that point I'll have a Bomber Gear Backband to sell !! No matter what you do any backband tends to get under your butt when you first enter the boat. Jed *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
A big second vote for the foam back brace! Saw one for the first time this summer in Maine (Thanks D!). Made one the next week for my Romany. The original backband never seemed to stay in the right place. Most often the band seemed to just pinch my rear. The foam back brace provides good, firm, comfortable support right at the base of my spine. The brace is out of the way when you lean backwards and sideways for rolling or sculling. It doesn't impede re-entering the boat. They are also easy to make and don't cost near as much as a commercial backband. I can try to post some pictures if there is any interest..... Mark Austin, TX At 04:15 PM 3/6/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Sid, > I have one on my Explorer. It's OK, but the best solution I've seen to >date was to rip off the backband altogether and build up a foam back support >with a radiused top so you can still layback. As soon as my second boat >comes in, that's what my Explorer is headed towards. At that point I'll have >a Bomber Gear Backband to sell !! No matter what you do any backband tends >to get under your butt when you first enter the boat. >Jed *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
SNStone wrote: > I am looking for a new/better backband for my Romany and Romany Explorer. > Wondered if anyone has experience with the Bomber Gear Backband? > thanks, sid Like the others, I have no experience with Bomber Gear, but I have two IR backbands. They're Reggies that I use WITHOUT the ratchet system (it comes stock with ratchet straps AND nylon straps installed). I found the larger backband (the Wankle) to be too tall and wide for my Nordkapp, but the reggie fits nicely. I didn't like the way the ratchet system attached to the boat - way too rigid. It's really designed for whitewater boats where you don't want the backband to be able to move much, if at all. I've also heard from paddlers that have had the ratchet buckles release when gear they stowed behind the seat bumped them. I added a padeye on the back 3/4" down from the top edge and use it to attach the backband to the D-ring at the rear of the cockpit. This flexible, three-point mounting system allows the backband to move with me and to slide down and out of the way during entries, without flipping over. It effectively forms a ramp for your butt as you enter the cockpit. I have another backband made by Voyageur. It's not as heavily padded as the IR and the stiffener is only 2" wide, but it is quite comfortable and fits easily in a touring boat. It's also a somewhat cheaper. I installed a Walden neoprene backband in my girlfriend's Looksha Sport (before I discovered IR) and she really likes it. Then again, anything is better than the rigid seat back that Necky uses in that boat. I also have a Rapid Pulse backband in one boat and frankly, it sucks. It has no stiffener in it, so once it breaks in (breaks down?) a bit, you end up with little more than 1" webbing pressing against your hips. It gets really uncomfortable after half an hour or so, just like the stock VCP backband in the Nordkapp did. BTW, I also install two, 2" diameter loops of bungee on the rear of my backbands. It makes an ideal place to stow a rolled up paddle float; out of the way, but instantly accessible from either side of the boat. -- Regards Brian *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I use a backband in my Nordkapps (can't remember the name but it's available from NOC and other mail order suppliers) that originally came with a wide piece of plastic which I have replaced with a piece of scuba belt webbing (Same width and less stiff).The webbing forms a loop and passes through two elongated SS loops glassed to the side of the boats. The loop is fastened behind the band with a scuba belt buckle so it is easily adjustable. -----Original Message----- From: owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net]On Behalf Of Joe Federici Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 12:33 PM To: paddlewise Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Backbands Sid, I had one in my Riot glide it worked well. I found it to slip a little like most back bands of it's design. I've also got an IR band in my amp and really like the adjustment system, no slipping! I've though about putting one in my Romany but the Impex band I put in it last year works well too. I think impex is making the new bands that NDK is using now on some of there boats. I'm not sure who sells them around here (NY) but they are imported through pyranha and make there back bands too. The IR band use a rachet system from snow board bindings. They are very easily adjusted while paddling and stay put even when thrashing around. Like I said I'm not sure how much work it would take or even if it's worth it. here's a link to there support page they have a instillation guide so you can see how they work: http://www.immersionresearch.com:8040/backratchet/support.htm JFF ____________________________________________________________________________ __ Sid said: I am looking for a new/better backband for my Romany and Romany Explorer. Wondered if anyone has experience with the Bomber Gear Backband? thanks, sid *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Sid said: I am looking for a new/better backband for my Romany and Romany Explorer. Wondered if anyone has experience with the Bomber Gear Backband? thanks, sid ------------------------------ Piranha makes some awsome kayaks, but I especially like their back band ratchet system. It extends all the way forward in terms of the adjustment straps, such that back band positioning/firmness can be adjusted while sitting in the kayak. Check it out sometime at a dealer near you. I will probably adapt something similar on my Necky Gliss, depending on what transpires with my current bad back syndrom, and may do the same for my wife's sea kayak. I truly believe sea kayak manufactures are often not putting in enough research and development into outfitting. DL - one paddler's opinion *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hey Doug, If you ever get the chance, take a peek into the cockpit of one of the new WaveSport WW boats. Truly amazing. They have great factory-installed adjustable fabric-covered foam hip pads and knee hooks that have support for the outside of your leg. If only sea kayak manufacturers would put in that level of thought... (...we wouldn't have as much fun outfitting them ourselves!) Shawn Doug Lloyd said: > I truly believe sea kayak manufactures are often not putting in enough > research and development into outfitting. Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 11:02 AM 3/8/01 -0800, Shawn Baker wrote: >If you ever get the chance, take a peek into the cockpit of one of the >new WaveSport WW boats. Truly amazing. They have great >factory-installed adjustable fabric-covered foam hip pads and knee >hooks that have support for the outside of your leg. The WaveSport XXX not only has the adjustable hip pads and knee hooks, but the seat is on a track. It can be adjusted forward and back in addition to up and down. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom_at_att.net> wrote: SNIP>>>>>>>I also have a Rapid Pulse backband in one boat and frankly, it sucks. It has no stiffener in it, so once it breaks in (breaks down?) a bit, you end up with little more than 1" webbing pressing against your hips. It gets really uncomfortable after half an hour or so, just like the stock VCP backband in the Nordkapp did.<<<<<<< I didn't remember a stiffener in Rapid Pulse backbands either but my brother says they have stiffeners in them now (and on checking out a new 6" wide one I see he is right). I measured the webbing strap behind it and it is 3" wide not 1". I'm sure they were 3" even before Rapid Pulse bought the design from PD Designs. Of course, with no stiffener and broken down foam even 3" webbing would probably feel way too narrow and remind one of a 1" webbing strap going behind ones back. I am looking for a comfortable backband that gives one good lower back support but is also easily adjustable fore and aft to help one enter and exit the cockpit (without being too easy and adjusting itself when your don't want it to). Any other suggestions anyone could make, beyond those already discussed, that might fit this criteria would be appreciated. Matt Broze http://www.marinerkayaks.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Matt Broze wrote: > Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom_at_att.net> wrote: > > SNIP>>>>>>>I also have a Rapid Pulse backband in one boat and frankly, it > sucks. It has no > stiffener in it, so once it breaks in (breaks down?) a bit, you end up with > little more than 1" webbing pressing against your hips. It gets really > uncomfortable after half an hour or so, just like the stock VCP backband in > the > Nordkapp did.<<<<<<< > > I didn't remember a stiffener in Rapid Pulse backbands either but my brother > says they have stiffeners in them now (and on checking out a new 6" wide one > I see he is right). I measured the webbing strap behind it and it is 3" wide > not 1". I'm sure they were 3" even before Rapid Pulse bought the design from > PD Designs. Of course, with no stiffener and broken down foam even 3" > webbing would probably feel way too narrow and remind one of a 1" webbing > strap going behind ones back. I just looked at mine again. It has a 1" attachment strap. It does appear to have some form of stiffener on the back, but it's pretty flimsy material; not at all like the 1/8" thick nylon on the IR and Voyageur backbands. Perhaps there is more than one model of Rapid Pulse backband? > I am looking for a comfortable backband that gives one good lower back > support but is also easily adjustable fore and aft to help one enter and > exit the cockpit (without being too easy and adjusting itself when your > don't want it to). Any other suggestions anyone could make, beyond those > already discussed, that might fit this criteria would be appreciated. Definitely check out the IR backbands. -- Regards Brian *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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