Re: [Paddlewise] anthropometric Benner & Action Fish Kaykas

From: Nick Schade <nick_at_guillemot-kayaks.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:18:07 -0400
I don't get this fixation with "anthropometric" measurement systems. 
Not to pick on the Benner Boats folks alone, but the website says:

> The basic anthropometrical system uses four body measurements: Arm 
> span,  hand span, forearm span and hand to knuckle span. From these 
> building blocks in conjunction with the paddlers weight and height 
> each wooden  kayak is custom sized to “fit” the paddler. The result is 
> a custom kayak built for each paddler.

I can not for the life of me figure out what the "hand to knuckle span" 
has to do with the appropriate size for a kayak. Benner Boats has gone 
through the effort of encoding this system into an interactive web 
page. I used their interactive design system and plugged in my 
measurements and got a boat that was 16' 3" long, with a max 
displacement of 301 lbs. I then increased my hand measurement and the 
new boat was 16' 4" with a max displacement of 302 lbs. This seems to 
indicates that someone with bigger hands requires a slightly larger 
boat. Why is that?  There might be some logic to this if you assume 
bigger hands indicates bigger people, but what really makes it weird is 
when I reduced my weight by 25%, the recommend size did not change at 
all. So while hand size somehow effects the design displacement of the 
boat, the actual weight of the paddler is irrelevant.

I will take them at their word that the Benner Boat folks accurately 
implemented an Aleut anthropometric system as they say. The measurement 
datums they use (arms and hands) seem to correspond with the 
anthropometric systems I have heard about, although most do seem to 
include a leg measurement in the system. Changing the leg length on the 
Benner Boat web site does not have any effect.

So, how are these traditional systems supposed to come up with (from 
the web site):
> Wooden kayaks built for each individual’s body type and size creates a 
> wood kayak that is easier to handle, more responsive and delivers an 
> exceptional fit.

A boat floats due to the displacement principle. All aspects of 
performance relate back to the water displaced. Stability, speed, 
maneuverability are all dependent on the amount and location of the 
water displaced by the boat. How is it possible to come up with a more 
responsive boat when the design does not take into account the 
displacement or weight of the paddler? Benner Boats is not the first to 
make the claim for superior performance due to knowing hand size, but I 
still haven't figured out how this is supposed to work.

Nick


On Friday, June 27, 2003, at 10:39  AM, <Rick.Sylvia_at_ferguson.com> 
wrote:

> "Hey" folks.  Anyone in Port Townsend (or otherwise) have an 
> opportunity
> to test drive a boat from Benner or Action Fish - a relatively new
> manufacturer of wooden kayaks providing kits or fully built boats to
> your specs.
>
> http://www.bennerboat.com/
>
> http://www.actionfish.com/
Nick Schade

Guillemot Kayaks
824 Thompson St
Glastonbury, CT 06033
USA
Ph/Fx: (860) 659-8847
http://www.guillemot-kayaks.com/

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