Here's an interesting kayak: http://www.lokikayak.com/ Check it out Kirk n' paddlewisers. Doug Lloyd (up late, rebuilding a suspension Mt. Bike for the summer season (ocean gets too flat with summer, now) Victoria BC ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~ "Whatever can be said at all can be said clearly and whatever cannot be said clearly should not be said at all." Ludwig Wittgenstein ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Doug Lloyd said > Here's an interesting kayak: > > http://www.lokikayak.com/ > > Check it out Kirk n' paddlewisers. > Doug, Although the builder of this kayak talks about how it handles surf and waves, he also said this about it's construction. "The deck is constructed entirely of Carbon. No Kevlar is used because no extra impact resistance is needed." Seems to me that sort of rules it out for the ocean - I've had many waves break right on top of me and it sure felt like an impact to me. One of my friends got trounced one day and there were several large gouges to the gelcoat and damage to the underlying fiberglass. What would happen to a deck that was designed for no impact resistance? IMHO, we are starting to sacrifice too much in our quest for lightweight. Steve Holtzman Southern CA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I wasn't going to say anything because I didn't have anything nice to say, but since Steve did, I will to. Seems like a good boat for a lake or very calm harbor, as long as there is no kelp to catch on the bow. A quote from the web site: "With a little extra care and NO BEACHING the Loki will stand the test of time as well as if not better than any other kayak." I'm not sure what "no beaching" means, but to me it sounds like "no open coast paddling". Other things I noticed from the picture gallery and elsewhere: -Needs a rudder? Every single picture has the rudder down + text elsewhere suggests it's needed -Poor secondary stability? The greatest lean in any picture is hardly any and the paddle splash looks like he almost flipped. Text elsewhere talks of high primary stability - flat bottom - some surprised by secondary stability -No fun? Maybe they just had the wrong guy in the boat for the gallery shots, but none of them looks remotely fun -Fast? Looks like it has a long waterline for length. Only positive thing I see about the boat. Steve Brown -----Original Message----- Here's an interesting kayak: ...... http://www.lokikayak.com/ ..... Doug Lloyd *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Interesting boat. I'd love to paddle one just to see what it's about. No beaching huh? Nothing like a swim after a hard day in the boat eh? Certainly solves the dumping surf question doesn't it? Anchor off shore. KMN *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Doug Lloyd Victoria BC Diane said: > That leaves more ocean for me, Doug :-) > Love that flat summer water :-) > I'll leave that lumpy winter stuff for you. > > Interesting boat but ugly. > However, the 33 pounds would be a plus for me. List: Forgot to mention "no affiliation with this product" -- as far as the "interesting" kayak is concerned. Diane: Looking forward to the hills tomorrow morning. I do sunrise mountain biking this time of year, before it gets stinking hot and the younger set lets loose. Then hit the waves n' wind in Juan de Fuca in the late PM thermal gales. Does life get any better? Though I do love that pillow when I finally hit it. Have a marvy summer man! Be safe. Doug *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 00:59:30 -0700, "Doug Lloyd" <dalloyd_at_telus.net> said: > Here's an interesting kayak: > > http://www.lokikayak.com/ > > Check it out Kirk n' paddlewisers. 16'11 with a 22" beam? Sounds like a fishing platform to me ;-) I used to own a 1 man marathon flatwater canoe with a true plumb bow (a Wabash Valley Dyna C) We called it the salad master. A fallen leaf would stick to the bow and send up a plume of water. Picking up seaweed was common, but had a less dramatic plume. Based on the rocker, and the pictures in the gallery it looks like the plumb section of the bow comes clear of the water so it would dump any debris that did get on the bow. Unless the boat was loaded at which point I think it would be a saladmaster. Looks like carbon fiber without a gelcoat. My recently replaced surf ski was 19'6" and 24 pounds. 33 pounds for 17 feet isn't all that impressive ;-) That said my recently replaced surf ski was replaced because it was falling apart. Because of the problems I had with the straight carbon hull I probably won't buy another carbon boat without gelcoat (pinhole leaks all over the hull). My latest boat has a fairly plumb bow. It's 21' long, gelcoat over carbon and weighs 30 pounds. The waterline length is about 20'7" I've yet to get anything stuck on the bow. The long narrow bow with fine entry and fairly plumb bow cuts nicely through chop. 1 foot chop is hardly noticable. http://tinyurl.com/fmrf Storage? Will it fit in my pfd.... Kirk -- Kirk Olsen kork4_at_cluemail.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Quoting Kirk Olsen <kork4_at_cluemail.com>: > My latest boat has a fairly plumb bow. It's 21' long, gelcoat over > carbon and weighs 30 pounds. The waterline length is about 20'7" > I've yet to get anything stuck on the bow. The long narrow bow > with fine entry and fairly plumb bow cuts nicely through chop. 1 foot > chop is hardly noticable. http://tinyurl.com/fmrf Storage? Will it > fit in my pfd.... > I never noticed the similarities before, but if you turn the seating arrangement around and add a little rigging for oars, this looks a whole lot like my Alden. Also a fairly plumb (yet long, narrow) bow, also zero storage, but longer and perhaps even marginally faster due to the larger 'engine' muscles employed. Not that I surf this one often :). jp *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
That leaves more ocean for me, Doug :-) Love that flat summer water :-) I'll leave that lumpy winter stuff for you. Interesting boat but ugly. However, the 33 pounds would be a plus for me. Diane > Here's an interesting kayak: > > http://www.lokikayak.com/ > > Check it out Kirk n' paddlewisers. > > Doug Lloyd (up late, rebuilding a suspension Mt. Bike for the summer season > (ocean gets too flat with summer, now) > Victoria BC *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 01:22:05 -0400, "Jennifer Pivovar" <kayak_at_headwinds.org> said: > I never noticed the similarities before, but if you turn the seating > arrangement around and add a little rigging for oars, this looks a > whole lot like my Alden. Also a fairly plumb (yet long, narrow) bow, > also zero storage, but longer and perhaps even marginally faster due > to the larger 'engine' muscles employed. Not that I surf this one > often :). The regular recreational alden is scaled close to a regular sea kayak at 18' with a 24" waterline. The Alden Star is the local favorite for a fast open water shell. It's 21'6" with and 21.5" beam/18" waterline. The star is a foot and a half longer and several inches wider than my surf ski. In open fairly calm conditions I definitely can't generate the power/speed that a good rower on a star can. But if it gets rough, there's a huge advantage to not having those oars and rowing rig slamming into the waves. Plus I can see where I'm going... Although in a race a local woman, on a star, was willing to be closer to an island than I was and I could see where I was going. She was planting one oar into the wet sand on the island on each stroke.... I hadn't realized Alden now had a rotomolded shell http://www.rowalden.com It's under $1000. -- Kirk Olsen kork4_at_cluemail.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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