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From: Dave Kruger <kdruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Advice for Weak Paddlers in Kyuquot Sound?
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 22:16:59 -0700
A long-time buddy of mine and his wife are planning a several-day trip in
their double within Kyuquot Sound on Vancouver Island, enroute to a
rendezvous at the community of Kyuquot with an outfitter who will ferry them
and their double to the Bunsbys.  The outfitter will also ferry them and
their boat back, to Fair Harbour, I think.

They are weak paddlers in strength, though he is a seasoned mariner, and has
reasonably decent judgment.

Because of their weaker paddling strength, and so they can explore some of
the less-visited areas of the Sound, they plan to take three days to make the
Fair Harbour - Kyuquot stretch.  They have asked me to query the group for
advice:

1. Is paddling in the Bunsbys a bad idea for them?

2. Are there difficult passages getting to Kyuquot?  In particular, is there
any substantial current in Crowther Channel (separates Surprise Island and
Union Island)?  [They recognize that the outside of Union Island is exposed,
and not a good place for them.]

3. And, is the stretch behind Amos and Rolston Islands leading to Kyuquot
protected, or is it subject to difficult swell and/or wind waves?

These folks have done little paddling on exposed waters, and while their
navigation skills are good, I fear their inability to muscle up when needed
may lead them to grief.

Thanks for the help, and, if your remarks need to be pungent, I can take them
directly in lieu of posting them on the listserv.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR

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From: Robert Livingston & Pam Martin <bearboat2_at_attbi.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Advice for Weak Paddlers in Kyuquot Sound?
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 00:10:09 -0700
> 2. Are there difficult passages getting to Kyuquot?  In particular, is there
> any substantial current in Crowther Channel (separates Surprise Island and
> Union Island)?  [They recognize that the outside of Union Island is exposed,
> and not a good place for them.]

No. A bit dull. Surprise Island heavily logged.

> 3. And, is the stretch behind Amos and Rolston Islands leading to Kyuquot
> protected, or is it subject to difficult swell and/or wind waves?

Usually tame.

If they get ferried back and forth to the Bunsby's from Kyuqot, this is a
pretty tame outing and they should be fine as long as they don't look for
trouble and get caught up in time pressures.


Only problem I have had is that the slog from Fair Harbor to Kyuquot does
not have many great places to camp. If there are only two of them, this
might not be a problem but there is the usual issue of very few landable
places on that route and so people tend to get concentrated at the landable
spots. If they move north off the direct route from Fair Harbor to Kyuquot
they likely will have the place to themselves.

One evening, coming up Crowther with a big group, we could not find a spot
to stay without infringing on others. We keep going from beach to beach
until it started to get dark. The group established at where we ended up
were not happy (ie they were hostile)

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From: Kirby Stevens <K_Stevens_at_telus.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Advice for Weak Paddlers in Kyuquot Sound?
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:15:33 -0700
The biggest advice for weak paddlers wanting to go into Kyuquot Sound  is
not go.   There are plenty of other places to paddle and taking a weak
paddler into Kyuquot is not the thing to do.    It is not an area for weak
paddlers, kayakers should know what they are doing, there is plenty of open
water to get into trouble with.

Kirby
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From: Dave Kruger <kdruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Advice for Weak Paddlers in Kyuquot Sound?
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:05:39 -0700
Brad,

You know me.  We paddled together once.

I worked pretty hard to convince the couple to stick to tamer waters.  The
guy is a stubborn old coot, in his middle sixties.  He is determined to try
this.  So, I agreed to gather good information for them to mull.

So far, I am not getting a lot of advice warning them off.  The consensus is
that this route is pretty tame.  Go figure.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR

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From: "BRAD" <brad_at_mth.pdx.edu>
To: <kdruger_at_pacifier.com>; <paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Advice for Weak Paddlers in Kyuquot Sound?


Weak paddlers with decent judgement wanting to paddle open waters
in the middle of nowhere sounds like a big fat contradiction in terms.
Also sounds like potential trouble. What if the wind suddenly blows
in the wrong direction, say towards Okinawa?. What if one or more
paddlers poops out in midstream? They should at least bring along some
strong and experienced paddlers to balance things out a little.
Just my opinion.
Brad

Bradford R. Crain
Dept. of Mathematical Sciences
Portland State Univ.
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