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From: Kirk Olsen <kork4_at_cluemail.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] paddle benchmarks
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:31:53 -0500
I've got an assortment of paddles and wanted to do some demo runs to
compare the differences in the paddles.

I took out my surf ski, a Fenn Mako Millenium (http://tinyurl.com/fmrf)
with a Speedtech knotmeter (http://tinyurl.com/k05t)

I chose the surf ski to do the tests because I wanted to have a boat that
had as little hull speed limitation on my tests as possible.  The
knotmeter is an impeller driven speedometer, not a gps based system.  I
did the trials on the Merrimack River in Lawrence, Massachusetts just
above a dam.  I picked this spot because it would have consistant
currents for each loop.  I paddled about 1 nautical mile from a boat
landing to a turn buoy and back, winds were negligible for each loop and
being 6am there was no one else on the water.  Unfortunately I didn't get
round trip times as floating weeds fouled the impeller for 3 of the 4
runs, something easily remedied but it required pullin over.  For
background I've got about 25 years experience racing canoes and kayaks. I
paddle stroke (front seat) for an outrigger canoe team - I like to think
my pace is consistant.

I tried 4 paddles a 218 cm Lightning Ultralight with Struer blades, a 7
foot Cricket greenland paddle, a bow paddle may 220 cm long
(http://home.comcast.net/~jkolsen/html/paddle.html) and a Bratcha II
Wing paddle.

My results are not precise as I am estimating my average speed based on
the number that was on the speedometer display the most.  I also did a
sprint at the same point on the river to see how fast I could get going.
By cruising speed I mean a pace that I could attain for a couple hours
without resting.

Speeds are in knots per hour, not in kilometers per hour.

Lightning   6.4  Kph cruising speed    7.45 Kph peak speed. 
Greenland   5.95 Kph cruising speed    7.3 Kph peak speed. 
Bow         6.1  Kph cruising speed    7.3 Kph peak speed. 
Wing        6.85 Kph cruising speed    8.3 Kph peak speed.

To be a better test I'll have to find a place with consistant deep water.
There were a couple of sections where my speed decreased despite
maintaining a steady stroke rate.

Comments on the paddles I tried:

The lightning at 23 ounces is wonderful to use, but the shaft is a little
too flexible for my likes.

I tried an assortment of strokes with the greenland, my attempt at
mimicing the stroke with an abdominal crunch was counter productive as
the boat slowed by .2 knots over my usual stroke.  Mimicing a wing stroke
with the greenland wasn't as productive (speed wise) as switching to a
canoe style vertical stroke.

The bow paddle has essentially the same stroke as a lower height
greenland stroke, the stroke results in the blade being basically
vertical in the water, tip pointing at the bottom of the river.

I hate my wing paddle.  It weighs about 32 ounces and the shaft is
very stiff.  Outside of the sprint I wasn't able to get my stroke rate to
the same comfortable cadence as the other 3 paddles.  On the other hand,
my summertime
goal of maintaining 8 knots for 100 meters was met this morning....

In no way, shape, or form was this a controlled scientific test, just a
set of benchmarks of how I was able to do with a few different paddle
styles.

Kirk
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From: <Rcgibbert_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] paddle benchmarks
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:22:54 EDT
In a message dated 8/14/2003 12:28:27 PM Central Daylight Time, 
kork4_at_cluemail.com writes:

I tried 4 paddles a 218 cm Lightning Ultralight with Struer blades, a 7
foot Cricket greenland paddle, a bow paddle may 220 cm long
(http://home.comcast.net/~jkolsen/html/paddle.html) and a Bratcha II
Wing paddle.

> Lightning   6.4  Kph cruising speed    7.45 Kph peak speed. 
> Greenland   5.95 Kph cruising speed    7.3 Kph peak speed. 
> Bow         6.1  Kph cruising speed    7.3 Kph peak speed. 
> Wing        6.85 Kph cruising speed    8.3 Kph peak speed.
> 

Kirk,

I spend time between various paddles, also. I am curious as to know how well 
fitted the Greenland Paddle is to your body and boat dimensions. For instance, 
though I still use my 7 foot, or 84", or 215 cm, Cricket GP, I noticed when I 
built my own for my own body dimensions, my speed improved. Of course, being 
more mindful of technique was more important. My GP made on Chuck Holst's 
plans ended up being a foot longer with a loom stretched 3" beyond Cricket's 
standard of 19". You might fit the Cricket perfectly, but the question is worth 
asking.

That Bow paddle is a strange looking affair. What's the story behind that? 
Why the curved shaft? Any benefits to it? 

Rob G

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From: Kirk Olsen <kork4_at_cluemail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] paddle benchmarks
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:40:22 -0500
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:22:54 EDT, Rcgibbert_at_aol.com said:
> In a message dated 8/14/2003 12:28:27 PM Central Daylight Time, 
> kork4_at_cluemail.com writes:
> > I tried a few paddles and got the following results:
> > Lightning, Greenland, Bow, Wing   

> I spend time between various paddles, also. I am curious as to know how well 
> fitted the Greenland Paddle is to your body and boat dimensions. 

Based on Chuck Holst's document the Cricket is about 3 inches shorter
than my anthropomorphic measurements and an inch narrow on the loom. 
Neither
measurement all that far off.  I'm a boringly average sized male - 6' 165
pounds.

> That Bow paddle is a strange looking affair. What's the story behind
> that? Why the curved shaft? Any benefits to it? 

The person who designed it, Bill Low of Willow Kayaks, has carpal tunnel
and wrist tendonitis.
He can't paddle with a straight shaft paddle or his fingers go numb (or
something
like that).  He has no trouble paddling for hours with the bow.

As a test hold your hands in front of you like you are holding a kayak
paddle.
Notice the tightness running along the inside and lower side of your
forearm.  Now rotate your thumbs
toward the sky.  On me the tightness goes away when I rotate my hands.
The thumbs up position is how you paddle with the bow.  It takes a little
to get used
to but the paddle stroke works well, you just need to adapt your
technique to the different
hand position.  About the only strokes that don't work with the paddle
are ones where you
change your hand position.  I use the paddle to roll without any
difficulties.  I like
the bow paddle best during cold weather as water doesn't run down the
shaft and your hands stay dry ;-)
-- 
  Kirk Olsen
  kork4_at_cluemail.com
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From: Dee Lutz <egb_at_dur.mindspring.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Electric bilge pumps
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:41:08 -0400
Anybody have good luck with these and have a brand to recommend?  I'm
considering a foot pump, but installation will be quite an ordeal due to my
short legs.  I'd always have a hand pump as a backup in case of mechanical
failure for a battery operated pump, but would love to find something that
actually pumped out the boat quickly and was fairly easy to install.  Thanks
in advance for any information about brands, installation tips, and dealers.

Dee

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From: <Rcgibbert_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Electric bilge pumps
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:26:32 EDT
In a message dated 8/14/2003 8:44:12 PM Central Daylight Time, 
egb_at_dur.mindspring.com writes:


> Anybody have good luck with these and have a brand to recommend?  I'm
> considering a foot pump, but installation will be quite an ordeal due to my
> short legs.  I'd always have a hand pump as a backup in case of mechanical
> failure for a battery operated pump, but would love to find something that
> actually pumped out the boat quickly and was fairly easy to install.  Thanks
> in advance for any information about brands, installation tips, and dealers.
> 
> 
Dee,

I use the Attwood weater buster purchased at West Marine for $30.00. It uses 
3 each D cells and it works well. I will note, however that my first 
experience with it was not so good. It shorted due to a leak in the rubber boot that 
seals the switch.

Therefore, I take care to seal the inside of the switch housing and switch 
booty with silicone. It's been on my boat for a year without failure. It is not 
as fast as the Rule pumps that use the gel batteries, etc. But it does empty 
the boat out from a complete flood in 4-5 minutes and a partial flood in 2-3. 
The D batteries also survive 2 days worth of training classes where we are in 
and out of boats a dozen times in a variety of water conditions.

Email Peter from Oz about the Rule pumps. They apparently pump out a boat 
quick and are not a hassle to install. He'll, no doubt, be sending in a note on 
the subject soon. If he doesn't, I'll dig out an old email of his on the 
subject that I saved and forward to you.

Rob G

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From: Michael Daly <michaeldaly_at_rogers.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Electric bilge pumps
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:10:08 -0400
On 14 Aug 2003 at 21:41, Dee Lutz wrote:

> Anybody have good luck with these and have a brand to recommend? 

When I investigated mine, I found that the Attwood pumps were 
consistently rated in terms of capacity and power requirements, 
while other brands tended to be overrated by their manufacturers.

The Atwood 650 (or 625 - whichever  - can't remember the exact size) 
actually take slightly less power than the smaller 450.  The 650's 
the one I chose, as it has the best performance for the amount of 
power reqd.  At full load pumping out the kayak with a good pile of 
water, I've measured the current draw at 0.9A, slightly below its 
rating.

There are a couple of other good pumps out there, but they weren't 
available locally.  IIRC Whale makes one.  There's also a new one I 
heard of that wasn't available when I purchased mine.  Web searching 
on bilge pumps will find info - look for the reviews in the boating 
magazines.

Mine isn't one with internal batteries - I put a battery pack in the 
rear compartment and wired thru the bulkhead (lots of 3M 5200 to seal 
the hole).  

Battery options include NiCd, NiMH and SLA (Seal lead acid).  I'd 
recommend NiMH or SLA (specifically AGM type).  Since NiMH can be 
considerably discharged repeatedly and safely, you can go with a 
lower overall capacity than with AGM.  For example, 1Ah NiMH would be 
roughly equivalent to 2-2.5 Ah of AGM since you can only discharge 
the AGM about 50% repeatedly and up to 80% occasionally. NiMH can 
handle 90-95% discharge without a problem.  Calculate the cost of 12 -
1.2V NiMH plus charger versus 1 - 12V AGM + charger and see what you 
prefer.  NiMH will no doubt be lighter - 12 AA size can easily be 
found with a net 1.6Ah capacity or greater.  Note that you want 12 
batteries, not ten, since 12V nominal for a boat is usually about 
13.5-14V.

Locally (i.e. Canadian $) 12 AA at 1.8Ah would be $48 and the charger 
about $50-60.  The 2.5Ah AGM would be about $35-40 and the charger 
about $26.  I bought my 5Ah AGM at a surplus store for $6.  YMMV

Mike

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From: Keith Wrage <keith.wrage_at_charter.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Electric bilge pumps
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:42:06 -0500
Michael,

How are you handling the power switch for your set up?  Seems that ideally 
you'd be able to switch this OFF with your skirt fully attached, right?  So 
the switch needs to be accessible or operable in this situation.  I'm 
guessing that the switch is a common failure point.  My own thought was to 
have the battery pack in a semi-flexible container (like a wide mouth poly 
Nalgene bottle) - with a push-button switch mounted inside - squeeze the 
bottle to operate the switch.  But....this requires your skirt to be 
removed (at least partially) so doesn't appear to be the answer.

Thanks for any additional info - been thinking about an electric pump for a 
while - just haven't done it.  Mostly holding off trying to come up with a 
less than complicated wiring/switching arrangement.
K

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From: Michael Daly <michaeldaly_at_rogers.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Electric bilge pumps
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 10:17:17 -0400
On 15 Aug 2003 at 17:42, Keith Wrage wrote:

> How are you handling the power switch for your set up?  Seems that
> ideally you'd be able to switch this OFF with your skirt fully
> attached, right?  So the switch needs to be accessible or operable in
> this situation.  

Ideally, yes.  However, I figured that the ideal was too hard to 
achieve easily so I went with a less than ideal condition.

Most of the pump use is from rolling and rescue practice, so it's no 
big deal to remove the skirt.  If I had to use it in an emergency-
type situation, I figured that means I'd be out of the kayak or would 
at least have had the skirt pop in order to have taken on a lot of 
water.  In that case, turning it on with the switch inside the 
cockpit is not big deal.  

As far as turning it off - the pump is rated to run with no load 
without damage for a while.  My take is that if it is a really rough 
situation, I'd just let it run until I could turn it off or until the 
battery runs out (worst case - with my battery, that's over five 
hours at full charge!).  If I burn the motor, it's C$30-35 to replace 
the pump - the cost of doing something more risky than I should have 
been in.

> I'm guessing that the switch is a common failure
> point.  My own thought was to have the battery pack in a semi-flexible
> container (like a wide mouth poly Nalgene bottle) - with a push-button
> switch mounted inside - squeeze the bottle to operate the switch. 

I used a waterproof switch.  However, it's only waterproof as a 
surface mount.  There's a rubbery membrane over it and the rest of 
the body isn't waterproof.  I wired it up and then put the switch 
into a plastic film can and filled it with epoxy up to the cover.  
The result is a round cylinder that is waterproof as far as I can 
tell - it hasn't had any problems yet (> 1 year).

You can get switches that are seriously waterproof, but they are hard 
to find and quite pricey.  Mine was $2 at the surplus store where I 
got the battery, plus a bit of left over epoxy.

> But....this requires your skirt to be removed (at least partially) so
> doesn't appear to be the answer.

On my desk here is a hatch cover that I got quite a while ago.  My 
intention was to put it into the skirt as an access point.  Haven't 
got around to it yet.  There was an article in Sea Kayaker last year 
showing how it's done.  That would provide access without popping the 
whole skirt and only allowing a smallish hole open to the elements.

Mike

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From: TomL <tletourn_at_maine.rr.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Electric bilge pumps
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 19:25:03 -0400
At 10:17 AM 8/16/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>I used a waterproof switch.  However, it's only waterproof as a
>surface mount.  There's a rubbery membrane over it and the rest of
>the body isn't waterproof.  I wired it up and then put the switch
>into a plastic film can and filled it with epoxy up to the cover.
>The result is a round cylinder that is waterproof as far as I can
>tell - it hasn't had any problems yet (> 1 year).


Mike,

Reading this thread with interest, but must admit I can't quite see how you 
do this. If you wouldn't mind, would you re-explain:

? "waterproof as a surface mount"

  ?  "I wired it up and then put the switch
into a plastic film can and filled it with epoxy up to the cover.
The result is a round cylinder that is waterproof..."

? "My
intention was to put it into the skirt as an access point"

Sorry for seeming so obtuse. But I'd like to understand this better.

Thanks!

Tom 


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From: Michael Daly <michaeldaly_at_rogers.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Electric bilge pumps
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 14:09:06 -0400
On 16 Aug 2003 at 19:25, TomL wrote:

> ? "waterproof as a surface mount"

Surface mount is obviously the wrong term here - sorry!

It's a rocker switch with a rubber membrane covering the switch.
The switch was designed to be mounted on a panel.  If it is flush 
with the panel and sealed around the edge, the outside is waterproof. 
For example, if I mounted the switch in a waterproof box, the outside 
would be waterproof, but the part of the switch inside the box is 
not, so if the box were flooded, the switch would be shorted.

>   ?  "I wired it up and then put the switch
> into a plastic film can and filled it with epoxy up to the cover. The
> result is a round cylinder that is waterproof..."

The cover, in this case, is the cover of the switch, not the film 
can.  Basically, the entire switch except the cover is covered with 
epoxy.  

> ? "My
> intention was to put it into the skirt as an access point

There was an article in Sea Kayaker on how to put a screw-in hatch 
cover into your skirt.  If you have one, you can open it and get your 
hand into the cockpit without removing the skirt.  Great for getting 
into a knee tube or even using a manual pump.

> Sorry for seeming so obtuse.

Hardly - I could have been much more clear.

Mike


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From: <nik586_at_mts.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Electric bilge pumps
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 22:27:22 -0500
Poke around at some electrical supply type stores.  There are very cool
small magnetic switches.  I have yet to set it up on mine, but my intention
was to mount the switch under the deck directly below a bungee cord in front
of the cockpit.  Then mount a block with the inset magnet under the bungee
(thread the bungee right through the block).  Slide block over switch = on.
No through hull cuts.  Obvious/large 'switch'.  Accessible from outside the
hatch.  Workable with cold/numb/gloved hands.

Marvin


> Michael,
>
> How are you handling the power switch for your set up?  Seems

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From: Keith Wrage <keith.wrage_at_charter.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Electric bilge pumps
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 11:47:08 -0500
I've seen these used on underwater camera housings too...

K

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From: Joan Spinner <jspinner_at_peoplepc.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Electric bilge pumps
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 15:31:25 -0400
Only problem with this is you can't use a compass with magnets around them.

Joan

> Poke around at some electrical supply type stores.  There are very cool
> small magnetic switches.  I have yet to set it up on mine, but my
intention
> was to mount the switch under the deck directly below a bungee cord in
front
> of the cockpit.  Then mount a block with the inset magnet under the bungee
> (thread the bungee right through the block).  Slide block over switch =
on.
> No through hull cuts.  Obvious/large 'switch'.  Accessible from outside
the
> hatch.  Workable with cold/numb/gloved hands.


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From: <nik586_at_mts.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Electric bilge pumps
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 06:32:01 -0500
Very true.  Shucks.  But, would not the electrics of the bilge motor be as
much of an interference as a magnetic switch?  I guess this means that the
magnet switch goes onto the rear deck then.

Marvin

>
> Only problem with this is you can't use a compass with magnets
> around them.
>
> Joan
>
> > Poke around at some electrical supply type stores.  There are very cool
> > small magnetic switches.  I have yet to set it up on mine, but my
> intention
> > was to mount the switch under the deck directly below a bungee cord in
> front
> > of the cockpit.  Then mount a block with the inset magnet under
> the bungee
> > (thread the bungee right through the block).  Slide block over switch =
> on.
> > No through hull cuts.  Obvious/large 'switch'.  Accessible from outside
> the
> > hatch.  Workable with cold/numb/gloved hands.
>

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From: Christy and Ray Wagner <traildog_at_direcway.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Electric bilge pumps
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 15:43:43 -0500
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Please note that this comes from the viewpoint of an EE, not someone who 
has any experience with electric pumps in kayaks...

Why not use a largish push-button switch and surface mount it under the 
deck so that it can be kicked on and off with your knee?    Or maybe 
forward far enough to use a foot but the knee seems easier to me.  You 
wouldn't have to breach the hull at all and the worst danger would be 
inadvertently turning it on if you go over and flail around a bit.  You 
wouldn't want to leave sharp edges or anything but I would think a suitable 
enclosure wouldn't be hard to find...maybe something like this:
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&User_ID=15188470&St=6245&St2=60427407&St3=-41513928&DS_ID=3&Product_ID=9615&DID=7
(sorry if the long link doesn't come through)
One part could be mounted and the lid easily sealed and everything stays 
belowdeck.

Just a thought.
Ray

At 05:42 PM 8/15/03 -0500, Keith Wrage wrote:
>How are you handling the power switch for your set up?  Seems that ideally 
>you'd be able to switch this OFF with your skirt fully attached, 
>right?  So the switch needs to be accessible or operable in this 
>situation.  I'm guessing that the switch is a common failure point.  My 
>own thought was to have the battery pack in a semi-flexible container 
>(like a wide mouth poly Nalgene bottle) - with a push-button switch 
>mounted inside - squeeze the bottle to operate the switch.  But....this 
>requires your skirt to be removed (at least partially) so doesn't appear 
>to be the answer.

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From: <JCMARTIN43_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Electric bilge pumps
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:18:35 -0400
In a message dated 8/17/2003 3:31:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jspinner_at_peoplepc.com writes:

> Only problem with this is you can't use a compass with 
> magnets around them.

Or a small switch, but you don't need a lot of separation --- maybe 12" to 18" --- to eliminate any impact (measurable, noticeable) on a kayak compass, from my experience.  

Joq
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From: Colin Calder <colin.calder_at_abdn.ac.uk>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Electric bilge pumps
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:39:06 +0100
A member of our club has an elegant solution to waterproofing electric pump
switches. Rob uses a reed switch under the deck and a magnet mounted in a
flat rotating switch on deck, avoiding the need for any through deck
fittings. Rob kindly wrote this up as a how to article for the club
newsletter, if anyone is thinking of fitting an electric pump I've put Rob's
article up on the web:

http://www.abdn.ac.uk/~ltu006/images/robs_pump/pump_switch.htm


Cheers


Colin

57º17'N 2º4'W
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From: <Rick.Sylvia_at_ferguson.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Electric bilge pumps
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:20:28 -0400
Hi.  I've been out of town for 5 days, and am catching up, so my
apologies if this is covered in another post.

 
> Poke around at some electrical supply type stores.  There are very
cool
> small magnetic switches.  


Just be sure to remember that magnets impact compasses, and not in a
good way.  If you plan to use a deck mounted compass (permanent or
detachable) within reach of the cockpit, you may get false readings.

Rick 
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From: PeterO <rebyl_kayak_at_iprimus.com.au>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Electric bilge pumps
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 06:07:03 +1000
G'day Dee & Paddlewise,

Dee asked about electric pumps and Robert mentioned Peter from Oz.

The Attwood pump is convenient but a bit slow, and you have to remove the
spray deck to use it. This makes it impractical for most seakayaks in
significant sea, though I found it OK for use in the Klepper foldable which
stays upright in just about anything I'm game to handle (except surf)!

The Rule Pumps work fine and are used by just about everyone I know who uses
electric pumps. I've never known one to break down.

Switches and batteries on the other hand fail regularly. The hermetic Otter
boxes are ideal sizes for holding lead acid gel batteries and keeping them
dry. If you don't mind taking the spray deck off you can make a very compact
and reliable unit by incorporating the switch into the Otter box along with
the battery.

I recently helped install a removable Rule pump. Two pieces of wrap around
Velcro were fastened to a bulkhead, then a block of foam had a recess carved
in the shape of the pump at one end, so the pump inlet was just proud of the
bottom of the foam. The Velcro was used to hold the foam/pump combination
against the base of the kayak and the bulkhead. I'm waiting for feedback
from the owner.

Regarding switches - In Australia it is highly unlikely that any pump switch
you buy from a ships chandler or retail electronics store will be water
proof. Even if they come with a fancy rubber boot and the salesman tells you
they are. If the switch is submerged regularly (say twice a week) then it
has a good chance of failing after a few months to a year. Water can track
along the wires into the back of the switch or find its way down through the
boot. Such switches may be splash proof but they are not surf or roll proof.

I looked for a switch that met the IP67 standard and so far its been OK.
Radiospares used to sell this sort of switch and it was cheaper than the
splash proof versions sold in our yachting shops or electronic hobby stores.

All the best, PeterO


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From: Shawn Baker <shawnkayak_at_yahoo.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Electric bilge pumps
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:43:50 -0700 (PDT)
Joan Spinner" <jspinner_at_peoplepc.com> wrote:
> Only problem with this is you can't use a compass with magnets around

  them.

Only one way to find out:  test it and see.  Rare earth magnets have a
much larger magnetic field than do regular ceramic magnets.

If you have a magnet mounted on the foredeck for a reed switch (say, N.
pole is UP), you could also epoxy another rare earth magnet in a
convenient (and nearby) spot under the deck with the N. pole DOWN), and
the magnetic field will largely be contained between the two magnets.

Instead of interfering with a compass 12-18" away, you'll have to be
half the distance or closer to notice magnetic disturbance in your
compass.

Shawn

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From: Michael Daly <michaeldaly_at_rogers.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Electric bilge pumps
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 01:30:21 -0400
On 18 Aug 2003 at 20:43, Shawn Baker wrote:

> If you have a magnet mounted on the foredeck for a reed switch (say,
> N. pole is UP), you could also epoxy another rare earth magnet in a
> convenient (and nearby) spot under the deck with the N. pole DOWN),
> and the magnetic field will largely be contained between the two
> magnets.

You could also use a keeper on the magnet, which would do a similar 
thing.

Another thing is to use a mass of iron near the compass to 
compensate.  That's what the two iron balls on the side of a binnacle 
are for.  As well, there are Flinder's Bars mounted on the binnacle.  
The balls compensate for iron in the ship and the Flinder's bars are 
to compensate for iron or magnetic fields that are loaded in the ship 
- the bars can be moved around the binnacle until the compass is 
corrected.  

So you can complement your Kevlar and carbon fibre kayak with about 
50 lb of iron. :-)

Some compasses, like the high-end Ritchies, have more modern 
compensation mechanisms.  I've never fooled with them, but they can 
be adjusted to compensate for magnetic interference in a boat (like a 
big iron keel).  I haven't seen this feature on the Ritchie kayak 
compasses, though, only on the bigger ones.  Don't know if these work 
with a rare earth magnet two feet away.

Even without a correction device, you can run a line of known azimuth 
(like a channel line on a navagation chart) and compare the compass 
reading to the marked reading (including variation or declination) 
and figure out the compass error.  Keep adding (or subtracting) the 
error when you use the compass.  If your compass has a declination 
adjustment, you can dial out the error with that.

You can't keep moving the magnet around, though, or you'll have to 
keep recalibrating the compass.

If your compass only points to the magnet, you obviously have too 
strong a magnet.

You could also get an air pressure switch and be done with magnets.

Mike

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