Hi all Well, I think the title explains my question! Being from Australia, I am not familiar with this product, but it sounds like a useful item to have in the gear sack. Could someone give me a bit more info on manufacturer, etc? Tks, DaveA Darwin Northern Territory Australia davea_at_octa4.net.au *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Alford" <davea_at_sportingbet.com.au> Subject: [Paddlewise] What is this "303" stuff you all talk about? Being from Australia, I am > not familiar with this product, but it sounds like a useful item to have in > the gear sack. > > Could someone give me a bit more info on manufacturer, etc? Dave, Here's a link to the product. Steve Holtzman Southern CA http://www.303products.com/main.php?infopage=protectant *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> Here's a link to the product. > http://www.303products.com/main.php?infopage=protectant > Is it really necessary to use "303" versus other products? I've been using regular ole Armour All on my plastic boats for a few years. Should I switch over, or keep doing what I'm doing? Rick *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
----- Original Message ----- From: <Rick.Sylvia_at_ferguson.com> > Is it really necessary to use "303" versus other products? I've been > using regular ole Armour All on my plastic boats for a few years. > Should I switch over, or keep doing what I'm doing? Rick, The guys I paddle with all use either 303, Armor All, or Turtle Wax's UV protectant on our glass and/or Kevlar boats. The only difference that I have noticed is that the 303 gives a duller finish. We've all decided that the deciding factor amongst the products is price. Right now, Turtle is the winner. Steve Holtzman *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
The only warning I've heard with these products is to be careful to not make your boat a greased pig to hang onto in the event of unplanned swim. Any truth to this warning? Is one product better than the others - maybe the 303 with the 'duller' finish? Keith *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On 19 Aug 2003 at 8:53, Steve Holtzman wrote: > The guys I paddle with all use either 303, Armor All, or Turtle Wax's > UV protectant on our glass and/or Kevlar boats. Another product is McNett's UV Tech. They say it's "non-glossy, non- slippery formula, water-based, biodegradable." I've used it for the last year or so and find it almost indistinguishable from 303 - smell, touch, look etc. But it is cheaper. McNett makes Aquaseal, Cyalume light sticks and other products used by paddlers, divers and so on, so their reputation is established. Usual disclaimers apply... Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
[Moderator's Note: Content unaltered. Excessive quoting (i.e. headers/footers/sig lines/extraneous text from previous posts, etc.) have been removed. Please edit quoted material in addition to removing header/trailers when replying to posts.] McNett is good at making cheaper, inferior copy products. The tried to copy Sink the Stink, and I had their product analyzed and it was less than 10% of the strength of ours. Of course they sold it cheaper, but most customers came back, after they discovered the McNett stuff didn't perform. I would be a bit leery of their 303 esque product. It's the type of product that you don't know if it works until it fails! Cya Bob Denton President Gulf Stream International www.sinkthestink.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael Daly Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] What is this "303" stuff you all talk about? Another product is McNett's UV Tech. They say it's "non-glossy, non- slippery formula, water-based, biodegradable." I've used it for the last year or so and find it almost indistinguishable from 303 - smell, touch, look etc. But it is cheaper. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On 20 Aug 2003 at 8:54, Bob Denton wrote: > McNett is good at making cheaper, inferior copy products. The tried > to copy Sink the Stink, and I had their product analyzed and it was > less than 10% of the strength of ours. Of course they sold it cheaper, > but most customers came back, after they discovered the McNett stuff > didn't perform. I would be a bit leery of their 303 esque product. > It's the type of product that you don't know if it works until it > fails! Given your commercial interest, slagging the competition and then dumping on all their products is uncalled for. Just because you don't like their competing product doesn't mean you can claim that all their products are bad. Unless you can offer specific data to back your claim about the UV protectant, stick to your own specialty. As a commercial producer of products, you should play by different rules on this forum - the kayak designers/makers don't dump on their competition here, neither should you. Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Point taken, however, McNett has copied the concept of the product, the packaging, the color, and the point of sale display. I have had their product analyzed and it is less than 10% of the active ingredients in Sink the Stink. Maybe if there were boat manufacturers that made, inferior kayaks that were exact copies of Matt's or other manufacture's boats, there may be a different response to those knock off companies. McNett's intent was clearly to confuse the consumer. Their 303 clone may be as good or better then the original, but based on my experience, I wouldn't put my gear at risk. On the other hand, their Aquaseal products are excellent and I use them myself. cu *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I have had exceptional result swith 303. I installed a hatch in my 2nd Nordkaap and kept the cut out. While the first had faded significantly in the Florida sun, the second, regularly treated with 303 shows almost no fading compared to the cut out. I use it on everything including cars, boats, dive gear, cycling gear. It's not greasy like Armor All and is supposed to be better for plastics. Cya *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> Is it really necessary to use "303" versus other products? I've been > using regular ole Armour All on my plastic boats for a few years. > Should I switch over, or keep doing what I'm doing? > 303 is waterbased, whereas ArmourAll is petroleum-based. When I first heard of 303 it was mainly touted as a preservative for drysuit gaskets. ArmourAll would probably degrade them. Later I began to use it on boat surfaces for its UV protectant qualities. I think it's superior in that regard... I have also used a product called MaxiGlide, which I believe was made for windsurfer boards. I think my boat really does move faster through the water with it.... Joe P. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> From: "Joseph Pylka" <jpylka_at_earthlink.net> >>> Is it really necessary to use "303" versus other products? I've been >>> using regular ole Armour All on my plastic boats for a few years. >>> Should I switch over, or keep doing what I'm doing? > > 303 is waterbased, whereas ArmourAll is petroleum-based. When I first > heard of 303 it was mainly touted as a preservative for drysuit gaskets. > ArmourAll would probably degrade them. Later I began to use it on boat > surfaces for its UV protectant qualities. I think it's superior in that > regard... ArmorAll also contains silicones, which make later repair impossible and can damage painted surfaces. I've been using 303 on folding kayaks and inflatable hulls for many years now, and it's a superior product all the way around. -- mike ------------------------- Michael Edelman medelman_at_ameritech.net http://www.foldingkayaks.org http://www.findascope.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
My local dive shop said they thought StS was no longer around, or that McNett was maybe distributing it. Misinformation flows quickly. Next time, I'll demand the real thing. McNett's Aquaseal is without equal, though, IMHO. Shawn Bob Denton" <bdenton_at_soytek.com> wrote: >McNett is good at making cheaper, inferior copy products. The tried to copy Sink the Stink...and it was less than 10% of the strength of ours. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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