[Paddlewise] Guns and Polar Bears

From: Dan McCarty <dmccarty_at_us.ibm.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:15:49 -0500
The way I have seen and experienced Pepper spray , its very easy to keep
the stuff out of you lungs.  Its just "painted" on you face.  This is not
pleasant but its far better than breathing the stuff.  Pepper and Mace
cause an involuntary response in/on your body.  If you breath the stuff
into your wind passages, they will be inflamed.  Depending on the person
you might want to throw up but can't.  Or you might actually throw up.  You
will be in pain.  There is no way around that fact.  But dealing with pain
varies with different people.  This does effect your breathing to some
extent.  Depends on the exposure and person.  Even if the stuff is not
breathed in, you still will have issues....

Once you are hit with pepper or mace, your sinus cavities are going to be
emptied.  No real pleasant.  Unless you have a flu or cold.

Pepper spray will cause your eyes to shut.  This is a good thing.  Open
eyes hurt.  Closed eyes hurt less.  Even after having a water hose
connected to ones eye balls there still is pain and you want you eyes
closed.  Closed is good.  This lasts for 30-45 minutes.

Then you take a shower and it reactivates for more fun....  8-)

Pepper Spray with a content of 5-6% is all that is needed for two legged
critters.  Higher percentages just increase the Time In Pain.

The spray should be an alcohol base not water.  Pepper is an oil.  Oil and
water don't mix.  Alcohol and oil will mix.  Don't use around flames.  NYPD
use some Pepper spray grenades on a barricaded suicidal subject a few years
ago.  He was in a small room and even after the enduring the massive
amounts of spray he still would not come out.  They tossed in flash bangs.
This is usually good.  But since the guy was covered in spray aka alcohol
this was bad.  He let up like a torch.....  Don't use spray around flames.

Pepper spray does not guarantee an attacker, 2 or 4 legged will stop.  Even
a 12 gauge does not provide that kind of guarantee.  But the 12 gauges does
provide much better odds.

Even if pepper spray does not stop an attacker it should at least diminish
their capabilities.  I know of incidents where cans of spray have been
emptied on people and they still kept on fighting.  But at least they could
not see, they where in pain, and likely could not breath at their normal
capacities.  Without pepper spray they most likely would have been shot.
Pepper spray is a tool used to hopefully prevent more violent incidents.
That is all.  I would not put my life on the line with only a can of pepper
spray.

There was an earlier comment about a White Bear hit by multiple rifle
rounds.  Remember that military rounds are FMJ, full metal jackets.  These
are designed to penetrate a body.  They are not designed to stay within the
body.  A bullet that fully penetrates is a danger to other people.  Course
in combat that is not a bad thing.  But an overpenatrating bullet means tha
tthe full energy of the round is wasted.  This is badness if you are really
trying to stop something/someone.  You don't see hunters using FMJs since
they want to bring down their game NOW.  Not later which is why they used
expanding bullets.  Self defense rounds are the same.

A 12 gauge with a slug has some mighty high energy levels and is an awesome
self defense tool.

Later,
Dan McCarty
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