"A. Hurley" <ahurley_at_viewit.com> wrote: >In coastal instructor courses it's fun to flip over unexpectedly and pound on the boat - people get sensitive to it and they more ready and alert. They know that if they don't get there on time they are in for a scenario! I think that is good training. I remember one such scenario where the instructor trainer did so, and banged your, er, her hands on her hull and waited for a rescue. One student (I won't name my name to protect the guilty) went in for a rescue. Not quick enough for the hapless trainer, whose hands disappeared below the surface to release her spraydeck. The well meaning student cruised in for a HOG as the trainer came up between their hulls, and he whacked her head with his hull. Helmets are a good idea. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, Shawn Baker wrote: > I remember one such scenario where the instructor trainer did so, and > banged your, er, her hands on her hull and waited for a rescue. One > student (I won't name my name to protect the guilty) went in for a > rescue. Not quick enough for the hapless trainer, whose hands > disappeared below the surface to release her spraydeck. The well > meaning student cruised in for a HOG as the trainer came up between > their hulls, and he whacked her head with his hull. You are not alone, my friend. During routine rolling practice on the Chesapeake Bay a few years back, my wife blew her roll, signalled (banged) for a bow rescue, and then without missing a beat, she pulled her skirt and surfaced between my bow and her boat. After the head collision, she immediately tried to climb on my bow and managed to get a foot on each kayak. When I asked her what she thought she was doing, she replied: "the jellyfish!!!" You never know. Mike. Mike Hamilton, Biologist 1205 Leonardtown Service Bldg University of Maryland College Park, MD 20742 301-314-3486 *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 04:04 PM 1/6/2004 -0500, Mike Hamilton wrote: >On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, Shawn Baker wrote: > > > I remember one such scenario where the instructor trainer did so, and > > banged your, er, her hands on her hull and waited for a rescue. One > > student (I won't name my name to protect the guilty) went in for a > > rescue. Not quick enough for the hapless trainer, whose hands > > disappeared below the surface to release her spraydeck. The well > > meaning student cruised in for a HOG as the trainer came up between > > their hulls, and he whacked her head with his hull. > >You are not alone, my friend. During routine rolling practice on the >Chesapeake Bay a few years back, my wife blew her roll, signalled (banged) >for a bow rescue, and then without missing a beat, she pulled her skirt >and surfaced between my bow and her boat. After the head collision, she >immediately tried to climb on my bow and managed to get a foot on each >kayak. When I asked her what she thought she was doing, she replied: "the >jellyfish!!!" There's gotta be a lot of stories like this. In one of the beginners classes before they went through the wet exits a couple of the students were asking about rolling instead of doing a wet exit and since it was very hot day we were all inclined to get wet ourselves. The guy running the classes (Phil) talked about doing a wet exit, bow rescues, and rolling. He then offered to demonstrate and asked the other guy helping in the class to give him a bow rescue and then tipped over. The other guy started explaining, "notice how he's slapping the boat and moving his hands back and forth.....and as you can see he can stay under a long time before doing his wet exit". "Uh, Jim?", I interrupted, "he asked you to do a bow rescue". Phil managed to stay under for about 30 seconds before Jim finally got over to give him his bow, but he made it. At the end of the class, Phil was going to demonstrate a roll (a lot of beginners seem to want to see us roll even though we're not teaching it). Apparently, Jim wasn't listening again because as soon as Phil capsized he went in for a bow rescue and got there just in time as Phil came up from his roll to knock him back over. Last summer in a beginners class, Phil was explaining the motions to go through for a wet exit and one of the students was asking why they had to slap the hull and wave their arms, so he demonstrated a bow rescue to show that it's just something to practice in case someone is nearby to do a bow rescue. When it came time for the first person to do her wet exit she capsized, slapped the hull, waved her arms back and forth, and Phil and I looked at each other, nodding, and thinking "good job so far". And she continued to wave her arms for another 10 seconds or so before we realized that she was expecting a bow rescue. It was an ugly bow rescue be she managed to come back up without exiting her boat. Somehow she missed the point that she was supposed to wet exit and the bow rescue was something she'd learn later. John Fereira jaf30_at_cornell.edu Ithaca, NY *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Huh, I must have thick skull as I don't remember that one! Ones I do remember are having my arm jerked up and practically out of the socket, or having a hand of god type thing go on which bashed my head into a hull on the way up. My favorite was one where I was playing unconcious and a guy who races dragon boats just picked me up and placed me on the deck and said "alright, I'm ready to do CPR". You are right Shawn, there are a lot of safety concerns! Andree On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, Shawn Baker wrote: > > I remember one such scenario where the instructor trainer did so, and > banged your, er, her hands on her hull and waited for a rescue. One > student (I won't name my name to protect the guilty) went in for a > rescue. Not quick enough for the hapless trainer, whose hands > disappeared below the surface to release her spraydeck. The well > meaning student cruised in for a HOG as the trainer came up between > their hulls, and he whacked her head with his hull. > > Helmets are a good idea. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I get the feeling that those who think the HOG rescue dangerous to rescuer and the head of the rescuee are doing it wrong. If you pull up alongside of a capsized kayak what could be more stable than leaning over that upturned kayak. I can't see how even a panicked paddler could pull you over. From that position it is quite easy to reach over and get hold of the paddler and get them to the point where they can breath. By guiding their body either forward of back it is also quite easy to roll them up into an upright condition. Even if they have grabbed hold of you in panic and are holding on tight you are still in a rafted up position that would be hard to capsize from. By pulling them up from over their kayak they aren't going to be able to bang your head on your kayak either. Matt Broze www.marinerkayaks.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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