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From: Joseph Pylka <jpylka_at_earthlink.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Roof Racks
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:42:01 -0500
> I have owned both Yakima and Thule racks. I am more happy with the Thule.
> They seem to be slightly better constructed/engineered. The biggest issue
> for me was the circular construction of the Yak cross bars: no matter how
> much I tightened them, the rollers would lean forward or aft on the top of
> the cross bar...

	I also had experience with both, and grew to dislike the Yakima roundness.
It's still a mixed bag, though.  If you need to extend the bars, for
example, the Yakimas will take lengths of electrical conduit inserted
within the pipes.  Much cheaper and stable than what Thule offers, if you
can find them...  
	Also, if you take the racks off between uses, the Yakima is better in that
the towers stay in place on the tubes whereas the Thules will slide all
over once loosened.  That makes for a tougher remount --  you have to
realign everything again...
	But the Thules don't rotate and that's a major consideration.  I think of
them as being sturdier as well.  
Joe P.
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From: Michael Daly <michaeldaly_at_rogers.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Roof Racks
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 13:35:06 -0500
On 30 Jan 2004 at 21:42, Joseph Pylka wrote:

>  Also, if you take the racks off between uses, the Yakima is better in
>  that
> the towers stay in place on the tubes whereas the Thules will slide
> all over once loosened.  That makes for a tougher remount --  you have
> to realign everything again...

This sounds like the Thules have been assembled incorrectly.  If they 
are put together correctly, they do not slide.   The piece that 
clamps the bar has to be tightened until it locks into place.  It 
sounds like either the pieces weren't tightened enough or the plastic 
bit that locks isn't in place.  Check the instructions again.

Mike
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From: WhiteRabbit <whiterabbit_0117_at_charter.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] San Diego Protected Areas & Outfitter
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 12:58:31 -0600
Heading to San Diego next Tuesday for a conference.  Can anyone recommend a
day paddling area and outfitter for a midwesterner who is used to dodging
barges and tricky reflected waves, but not dealing with tides, ocean
currents and other hazards.

Robert
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From: Steve Brown <steve_at_brown-web.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] San Diego Protected Areas & Outfitter
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:21:30 -0800
http://www.aqua-adventures.com/

They have tons of boats and gear + excellent instructors/guides. You can
launch right from the shop which is on mission bay and has easy coastal
assess a short paddle out the bay mouth.

Steve Brown

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Heading to San Diego next Tuesday for a conference.  Can anyone recommend a
day paddling area and outfitter for a midwesterner who is used to dodging
barges and tricky reflected waves, but not dealing with tides, ocean
currents and other hazards.

Robert
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From: Steve Holtzman <sh_at_actglobal.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] San Diego Protected Areas & Outfitter
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:10:59 -0800
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net 
> [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net] On Behalf Of WhiteRabbit
> Heading to San Diego next Tuesday for a conference.  Can 
> anyone recommend a day paddling area and outfitter for a 
> midwesterner who is used to dodging barges and tricky 
> reflected waves, but not dealing with tides, ocean currents 
> and other hazards.
> 

Suggest that you get in touch with Jennifer Kleck or Gregg Knight,
co-owners of Aqua Adventures, 800-269-7792
www.aqua-adventures.com

They are both great people who won't steer you wrong on any advice and
they will rent a boat in first class condition.

I highly recommend them. They can also give you all of the local
knowledge you need on where to paddle.

Steve Holtzman
Southern CA.
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From: alex <al.m_at_3web.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Roof Racks
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 14:23:27 -0800
> This sounds like the Thules have been assembled incorrectly.  If they
> are put together correctly, they do not slide.   The piece that
> clamps the bar has to be tightened until it locks into place.  It
> sounds like either the pieces weren't tightened enough or the plastic
> bit that locks isn't in place.

My Thule rack with towers etc was bought used (new one costs roughly like a
used kayak :-), and laminated skin of the bars was already rugged, which
made inserting of that small plastic bit (I recall there was a small bit
between the bar and the tower) both difficult and unnecessary.  With that
small piece in place, it was impossible to tighten the screw so that it
would be locked completely.  May be this bit is necessary for unused bars -
which will acquire dents on their skin after the first season anyway.  Or
for carrying heavy loads.

I would agree with the guys here that rectangular crossection of Thule bars
is better, though I personallly find round Yakima bars more esthetically
pleasing. No big deal; both brands are well-made.
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